Linear system of equations: Echelon form/Solutions

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The discussion revolves around a linear system of equations and its representation in echelon form. Participants explore whether the system is in echelon form, how to solve it, and the implications of missing variables. The scope includes theoretical understanding, mathematical reasoning, and problem-solving approaches.

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  • One participant questions if the given system of equations is in echelon form and expresses uncertainty about the significance of the missing variable "b".
  • Another participant suggests that the exercise is introductory and indicates that the absence of "b" does not affect the solution set.
  • A different participant provides an alternative representation of the equations, demonstrating that the solution remains consistent regardless of variable labels.
  • One participant notes that while the system is in row echelon form, it does not meet the criteria for reduced row echelon form, referencing specific textbook requirements.

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Participants express differing views on the importance of the variable "b" and the classification of the echelon form. There is no consensus on whether the system is in reduced row echelon form, highlighting a contested understanding of the definitions involved.

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Some participants reference specific definitions and requirements for echelon forms that may vary across textbooks, indicating potential limitations in the discussion's scope.

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Hey! 😊

I am looking at the following exercise but I think that I miss something.

The statement is the following:

We are given the following system of equations: \begin{align*}2a-2c+d-2e=&-2 \\ -2c-2d+2e=&\ \ \ \ \ 3 \\ d+2e=&-2\end{align*}

1) Is the system in echelon form? Justify.
2) Solve the linear system of equations over $\mathbb{R}$.
3) How many solutions has the system?
The system in matrix form is: \begin{equation*}\begin{pmatrix}\left.\begin{matrix}2 & -2 & 1 & -2 \\ 0 & -2 & -2 & 2 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 2\end{matrix}\right|\begin{matrix}-2 \\ 3\\ -2\end{matrix}\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*}
So the system is in echelon form, or not?

Isn't it trivial? Or do I miss something?

Does maybe the fact that the variable $b$ is missing important here?

:unsure:
 
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Hey mathmari!

It looks like an introductory exercise for using echelon forms to solve a system of equations.
First it checks whether the word 'echelon' is understood, and then it asks to apply the corresponding method.
In other words, I don't think you're missing anything. 🤔
 
It doesn't matter at all what you call the letters representing the unknown numbers!

So, no, it doesn't matter that there is no "b". If the equations were
2a−2b+c−2d=-2
−2b−2c+2d= 3
c+2d=−2
The solution set would be exactly the same!

Personally, I would not bother writing the equations in matrix form.
The last equation, c+ 2d= -2 says that c= -2d- 2.
Then -2b- 2c+ d= 3 becomes -2b= 2c- d+ 3= -2d- 2- d+ 3= -3d+ 1 and then b= (3/2)d- 1/2.
And 2a- 2b+ c- 2d= -2 becomes 2a= 2b- c+ 2d- 2= 3d- 1+ 2d+ 2- 2d= 3d- 3 so
a= (3/2)d- 3/2.

Or, using the labels "a", "c", "d", and "e", as originally, and writing the solution in terms of parametera "t" (you have 4 unknowns with only three equations so the "degrees of freedom" is 4- 3= 1 and there is one parameter.)
a= (3/2)t- 3/2
c= (3/2)t- 3/2
d= - 2t- 2
e= t.
 
The system is in row echelon form, but not in reduced row echelon form. In fact, some textbooks, (for example, Nicholson, W. Keith. Linear Algebra with Applications. 2019) require that the leading coefficients are 1 even in regular row echelon form.
 

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