Linear system of equations with parameters

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The discussion revolves around a system of linear equations with parameters a and b. Participants are exploring how to determine the number of solutions based on the values of these parameters, particularly focusing on the role of the determinant in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the determinant as a first step and question whether this is the right approach. Some suggest using Gaussian elimination directly instead of focusing on the determinant. There is also mention of specific cases, such as when a = 0, leading to multiple or infinite solutions.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants sharing their calculations and reasoning. Some have provided guidance on alternative methods, such as Gaussian elimination, while others express confusion about the process. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for small calculation errors and the challenge of interpreting the results of the determinant in terms of the number of solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of different values for a and b.

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I have big problems with an equation system. It's been a long time since I worked with these type of problems and it would be wonderful if I could get an full solution of this or some similar problem.


Decide for all real a and b, the number of solutions to the equation system.

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I begin with finding the determinant and get 2a-2
Is this even the right way to start?

Should I put a=1 into the equation and use Gauss elimination?
 
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MSG100 said:
I have big problems with an equation system. It's been a long time since I worked with these type of problems and it would be wonderful if I could get an full solution of this or some similar problem.


Decide for all real a and b, the number of solutions to the equation system.

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I begin with finding the determinant and get 2a-2
Is this even the right way to start?

Should I put a=1 into the equation and use Gauss elimination?

If the determinant (which depends only on a) is non-zero, then there is a unique solution for any b.

If the determinant is zero, then depending on b it may be that there are no solutions or infinitely many solutions.

So your first step is to calculate the determinant. The answer 2a - 2 must be wrong, because if a = 0 then the sum of the first two rows is twice the third row, and the determinant must vanish.
 
I missed to insert zero for the missing "y" in the third row.
With them in place I got it to 1a
 
I searching in my books and internet after similar problems but can't find any. I don't really understand the problem.

Here's how I evaluate my determinant. I use the Rule of Sarrus.

math2.jpg
 
I apologize - a is the correct value. I wrote a 2 where I should have written a 1.
 
I have noticed myself that it's very easy to make small mistakes with these kind of calculations. I'm glad that I could get it right for once.

How do I go from on from here?
 
If the determinant is nonzero, the system of equations has a unique solution.
 
Hmm this is really confusing. I thought a was kinda good at Gaussian elimination but this proved me wrong:)

I put a=0 an get this:


math3.jpg
 
The problem, as you stated it, doesn't ask for the solutions - just how many there are for various values of a. If a is 0, there are multiple solutions (actually, an infinite number of them).
 
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MSG100 said:
I have big problems with an equation system. It's been a long time since I worked with these type of problems and it would be wonderful if I could get an full solution of this or some similar problem.


Decide for all real a and b, the number of solutions to the equation system.

View attachment 63942

I begin with finding the determinant and get 2a-2
Is this even the right way to start?

Should I put a=1 into the equation and use Gauss elimination?

Don't put anything anywhere; just start doing Gaussian elimination. For example, the third equation gives you z = 2-x. Put that into the first two equations, to get a new 2x2 system involving x and y only. Now you can use one of these new equations to (for example) solve for y in terms of x; putting that into the other equation will leave you with an equation of the form C*x=c, where C and c involve a, etc. It is now easy to tell if that last equation has (i) a unique solution; (ii) no solutions; or (iii) infinitely many solutions.

In my opinion, getting the determinant first is a complete waste of time, because after you have obtained it you still need to start over again to tell whether you have case (ii) or case (iii). Why not just do it immediately? (Others will disagree, of course.)
 
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Ray Vickson said:
In my opinion, getting the determinant first is a complete waste of time, because after you have obtained it you still need to start over again to tell whether you have case (ii) or case (iii). Why not just do it immediately? (Others will disagree, of course.)
That's a good point. You can't tell from the determinant whether there are no solutions or an infinite number of them. All you can tell is whether there is a single solution or not.
 
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