Linear Transformations and matrix representation

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The discussion revolves around the linear transformation T defined on the space of polynomials P2 and its matrix representation relative to the basis B = {1, t, t²}. Participants explore how to compute the images of the basis vectors under the transformation and clarify the notation used in the context of linear mappings.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how to compute T(1), T(t), and T(t²) based on the transformation definition.
  • Another participant suggests substituting specific values for a0, a1, and a2 to find the images of the basis vectors, indicating that T(1) can be computed by setting a0=1, a1=0, and a2=0.
  • Some participants argue against using the notation of 1, t, and t² as functions, proposing alternative definitions (e0, e1, e2) for clarity.
  • Concerns are raised about the ambiguity in determining which coefficients correspond to which basis vectors, with a participant noting that the order of the basis should be specified to avoid confusion.
  • One participant points out that the matrix representation of a linear operator depends on the order of the basis vectors, suggesting that different orderings could yield different matrices.
  • Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind defining e0(x)=1 and the implications of changing the order of basis vectors on the transformation's representation.

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Participants express differing views on the notation and definitions used in the context of linear transformations. There is no consensus on the best way to define the basis functions or how to interpret the transformation's input-output relationships.

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Participants highlight the importance of specifying an ordered basis when discussing linear transformations, as ambiguity can arise from using unordered sets. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of notation and the implications for computing matrix representations.

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Assume the mapping T: P2 -> P2 defined by:
T(a0 + a1t+a2t2) = 3a0 + (5a0 - 2a1)t + (4a1 + a2)t2
is linear.Find the matrix representation of T relative to the basis B = {1,t,t2}

My book says to first compute the images of the basis vector. This is the point where I'm stuck at because I'm not sure how the books arrives at the images:
T(b1) = T(1) = 3+5t
T(b2) = T(t) = -2t+4t2
T(b3) = T(t2) = t2

Where are these results coming from?
I don't understand where 1 is supposed to go to solve for T(1). I guess its the notation that is throwing me off. Usually when solving for a transformation, it has something such as T(x) = x^2, and you solve the transformation by substituting the value of the input for x. But now my input is 1 for an entire expression (a0 + a1t+a2t2)
 
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henry3369 said:
Where are these results coming from?
Start with what you know. If you want T(1), look at your definition. In order to get T(1), put a0=1, a1=0 and a2=0. Then the definition says T(1)= 3⋅1 + (5⋅1 - 2⋅0)t + (4⋅0 + 0)t2. In the same way, to find T(t) , put a0=0, a1=1 and a2=0. The rest is left as an exercise...
 
I'm not a fan of calling the functions 1, t and t2 (these are notations for numbers, not functions). I would define functions ##e_0, e_1, e_2## by
\begin{align*}
&e_0(x)=1\\
&e_1(x)=x\\
&e_2(x)=x^2
\end{align*} for all real numbers x. Then T is defined by ##T(a_0e_0+a_1e_1+a_2e_2)=3a_0e_0+(5a_0-2a_1)e_1+(4a_1+a_2)e_2## for all real numbers ##a_1,a_2,a_3##. Now let's do what Svein did, in my notation:
$$T(e_0)=T(1e_0+0e_1+0e_2)=3\cdot 1 e_0+(5\cdot 1-2\cdot 0)e_1+(4\cdot 0+0)e_2=3e_0+5e_1.$$
 
Svein said:
Start with what you know. If you want T(1), look at your definition. In order to get T(1), put a0=1, a1=0 and a2=0. Then the definition says T(1)= 3⋅1 + (5⋅1 - 2⋅0)t + (4⋅0 + 0)t2. In the same way, to find T(t) , put a0=0, a1=1 and a2=0. The rest is left as an exercise...
How do you know which ax corresponds to the input? For T(1), you set a0 =1 and for T(t) you set a1 = 1. I don't think it could be the order in which it appears in B, because B is just a set of vectors and the order shouldn't matter.
 
Fredrik said:
I'm not a fan of calling the functions 1, t and t2 (these are notations for numbers, not functions). I would define functions ##e_0, e_1, e_2## by
\begin{align*}
&e_0(x)=1\\
&e_1(x)=x\\
&e_2(x)=x^2
\end{align*} for all real numbers x. Then T is defined by ##T(a_0e_0+a_1e_1+a_2e_2)=3a_0e_0+(5a_0-2a_1)e_1+(4a_1+a_2)e_2## for all real numbers ##a_1,a_2,a_3##. Now let's do what Svein did, in my notation:
$$T(e_0)=T(1e_0+0e_1+0e_2)=3\cdot 1 e_0+(5\cdot 1-2\cdot 0)e_1+(4\cdot 0+0)e_2=3e_0+5e_1.$$
So what makes
e0(x)=1 and not e0(x)=x? If the order of the vectors in the Basis changed, how would I know that e0(x)=1? . Also, why are the others always zero?
 
henry3369 said:
How do you know which ax corresponds to the input? For T(1), you set a0 =1 and for T(t) you set a1 = 1. I don't think it could be the order in which it appears in B, because B is just a set of vectors and the order shouldn't matter.
Yes, strictly speaking, it's ambiguous to talk about the components of a vector in a specific basis. We should always be talking about the components of a vector with respect to an ordered basis like the triple ##(b_1,b_2,b_3)## rather than the components of a vector with respect to the basis ##\{b_1,b_2,b_3\}##. Unfortunately people are sloppy with the language. But they're at least being sloppy in a consistent way. When they talk about the components of a vector with respect to ##\{b_1,b_2,b_3\}##, they always mean with respect to ##(b_1,b_2,b_3)##, and never with respect to e.g. ##(b_3,b_1,b_2)##.

henry3369 said:
So what makes
e0(x)=1 and not e0(x)=x? If the order of the vectors in the Basis changed, how would I know that e0(x)=1?
The way I did it is just a convention. You could number the functions differently if you want to.

Now you're probably thinking "wait a minute, the formula for the number on row i, column j of the matrix depends on the order of the basis vectors, so each choice of how to order them could give me a different matrix". This would be a correct observation. A linear operator and a basis don't uniquely determine a matrix. A linear operator and an ordered basis on the other hand...

In this problem, it's safe to assume that you should find the matrix of T with respect to the ordered basis ##(b_1,b_2,b_3)## (i.e. my ##(e_0,e_1,e_2)##).

henry3369 said:
Also, why are the others always zero?
I'm not sure what others you're referring to.
 
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