Linearising an Inverse Square Law Graph for Gamma Radiation

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The discussion revolves around the investigation of the inverse square law for gamma radiation, specifically focusing on the process of linearizing data collected from experiments. The original poster seeks guidance on how to create a linearized graph from their data and what insights such a graph might provide.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore various methods for linearizing the data, questioning the necessity and scientific validity of transforming a non-linear relationship into a linear one. There are discussions about plotting intensity against the inverse square of the distance and considerations regarding the accuracy of least-squares fits on transformed data.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants offering different perspectives on the appropriateness of linearizing the data. Some suggest that linearization is a standard approach, while others caution about potential discrepancies between transformed and original data fits. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants question the assumptions behind the need for linearization and the implications of using transformed data for analysis. The original poster's context as a college student in the UK is noted, along with the potential influence of instructor guidelines on their approach.

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1. Homework Statement

A piece of work I am doing for college (UK college that is) has me investigating the inverse square law for gamma radiation. I have collected data and the graph comes out looking right. I want to create a linearised graph of the data to investigate the results further. If I did this, what process would I run the results through, and what would the graph (e.g. gradient and points where the graph crosses the axes) tell me?

To cut it short, if one was to linearise an inverse square law graph, how would one do it, and what would this linearised graph show?

Homework Equations


Intensity = S/(4πr^2)

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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There are several different ways of doing this. What are your thoughts so far?

Chet
 
Bairdo97 said:
1. Homework Statement

A piece of work I am doing for college (UK college that is) has me investigating the inverse square law for gamma radiation. I have collected data and the graph comes out looking right. I want to create a linearised graph of the data to investigate the results further. If I did this, what process would I run the results through, and what would the graph (e.g. gradient and points where the graph crosses the axes) tell me?

To cut it short, if one was to linearise an inverse square law graph, how would one do it, and what would this linearised graph show?

Homework Equations


Intensity = S/(4πr^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Why do you want to linearise something that is not linear? What can you do with a linearised graph that you cannot do with a more accurate non-linear graph? Frankly, the whole exercise strikes me as unscientific and inappropriate, and unless an instructor has ordered you to do it (I hope not!) you should not do it.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Why do you want to linearise something that is not linear? What can you do with a linearised graph that you cannot do with a more accurate non-linear graph? Frankly, the whole exercise strikes me as unscientific and inappropriate, and unless an instructor has ordered you to do it (I hope not!) you should not do it.
He's not actually talking about linearizing the relationship about some point. He is talking about plotting the data in such a way that the results all fall on a straight line. In this way, he can determine, from the slope and intercept, the parameter values (provided the equation is a good representation of the data). One way, for example, would be to plot I vs 1/r2.
 
Chestermiller said:
He's not actually talking about linearizing the relationship about some point. He is talking about plotting the data in such a way that the results all fall on a straight line. In this way, he can determine, from the slope and intercept, the parameter values (provided the equation is a good representation of the data). One way, for example, would be to plot I vs 1/r2.

OK, in that case he would be doing something quite standard.

He should realize, though, that a least-squares straight-line fit (say) to a transformed problem is not necessarily a least-squares fit to the original, nonlinear relationship. If the errors in the fit are "small" it won't make much difference, but if they are "large" the two fits could disagree significantly. (In other words, if one transforms the data, fits a straight line, then reverse-transforms the fit, one might not always obtain a nonlinear formula that is close to the one obtained by doing a least-squares fit directly on the original data.) It all depends on the details of the functions and the transformations performed.
 
Ray Vickson said:
OK, in that case he would be doing something quite standard.

He should realize, though, that a least-squares straight-line fit (say) to a transformed problem is not necessarily a least-squares fit to the original, nonlinear relationship. If the errors in the fit are "small" it won't make much difference, but if they are "large" the two fits could disagree significantly. (In other words, if one transforms the data, fits a straight line, then reverse-transforms the fit, one might not always obtain a nonlinear formula that is close to the one obtained by doing a least-squares fit directly on the original data.) It all depends on the details of the functions and the transformations performed.
By the way, the example I gave in post #3 is definitely not the way I would plot the data. I would be thinking more in terms of log-log plots.

Chet
 

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