Liquid condensing out in thermodynamics

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic behavior of a saturated vapor of an incompressible liquid and the conditions under which some liquid condenses out during adiabatic expansion. The participants are exploring the implications of specific thermodynamic expressions and definitions related to latent heat and phase transitions.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the meaning of "saturated vapor" and its relation to equilibrium with liquid, as well as the significance of the term "incompressible liquid." Some participants provide definitions and context regarding the quality of vapor and the implications of incompressibility.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying definitions and concepts, with some guidance provided regarding the meaning of saturated vapor and incompressible liquids. There appears to be a lack of consensus on the necessity of certain information for solving the problem, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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There is a focus on the relationship between heat capacities and the behavior of the liquid under varying conditions, with specific attention to the implications of adiabatic processes and the characteristics of incompressible liquids.

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We have the following expression for the temperature of the latent heat of vaporisation:

d(L/T)/dT = (Cpv - Cpl)/T + [d(Vv - Vl)/dT] *dP/dT

Where Cpv is the heat capacity at constant pressure of the vapour and the liquid respectively, Vv and Vl are the volumes of the vapour and liquid respectively, and the d(Vv - Vl)/dT is a partial derivative at constant P.

We need to show that "when the saturated vapour of an incompressible liquid is expanded adiabatically, some liquid condenses out if Cpl + Td(L/T)/dT < 0"

I'm not sure about the meaning of "saturated vapour". Does this mean it is in equilibrium with the liquid (i.e we are on the phase boundary in the P-T plane), or does it mean supersaturated (i.e there is no liquid present)?
Also, what significance does "incompressible liquid" have?
thanks very much for your help.
 
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saturated vapor means the quality is equal to exactly 1. So yes, you are correct, it is on the edge of the P-T diagram where it is all vapor, but any slight change and it will go back down to saturated (i.e. some liquid and vapor) or go up into superheated.


Incompressible means Cp=Cv.
 
i'm still a little unsure as to how the piece of info Cp=Cv relates to this question. It's doesn't seem to be necessary to solve the problem.
 
Perhaps you do not need it, I was just answering your question as to what is the significance of incompressible liquid. Also, the density of the liquid remains a constant. The density will not change with pressure, it will be highly dependent on temperature.
 

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