Local Extrema of f(x,y) on x^2 + y^2 <= 1

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The discussion revolves around finding the local extrema of the function f(x,y) = 6x^2 - 8x + 2y^2 - 5 within the closed disk defined by the constraint x^2 + y^2 ≤ 1. Participants are exploring the application of the Lagrange multiplier method in this context.

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  • Some participants attempt to apply the Lagrange multiplier method, discussing the formulation of the Lagrangian and the implications of using addition versus subtraction of the constraint function. Others raise questions about the placement of critical points within the defined disk and the conditions for x and y relative to the disk's radius.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the setup of the Lagrangian and exploring different interpretations of the constraints. There is an ongoing examination of how to correctly apply the method to find extrema both on the boundary and within the disk.

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There is some confusion regarding the correct formulation of the Lagrangian for maximization versus minimization problems, as well as the implications of the constraint on the critical points. Participants are clarifying these aspects without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



find the local extrema of

f(x,y) = 6x^2 -8x + 2y^2 - 5 around the closed disk x^2 +y^2 =< 1

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I used the larangian way of doing this but not sure if its right. My solution:

F(x,y) = f(x,y) + lambda g(x,y)

where g(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 - 1

taking partials wrt to x y and lambda I get

Fx = 12x - 8 + 2x lamda

Fy = 4y + 2y lamda

Flamda = g(x,y)

setting each to 0 and solving I get

lamda = 2 from Fy

subbing into Fx I get x = 1

subbing into g(x,y) and solving I get y = ±1

so the extrema are

(1,1) (1,-1)

edit: I think I shouldve had my equation as

F(x,y) = f(x,y) - lamda g(x,y) rather than f(x,y) + lamda g(x,y)

with that equation I get

x = 0.5
y = ±sqrt 0.75
 
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Kuma said:

Homework Statement



find the local extrema of

f(x,y) = 6x^2 -8x + 2y^2 - 5 around the closed disk x^2 +y^2 =< 1


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I used the larangian way of doing this but not sure if its right. My solution:

F(x,y) = f(x,y) + lambda g(x,y)

where g(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 - 1

taking partials wrt to x y and lambda I get

Fx = 12x - 8 + 2x lamda

Fy = 4y + 2y lamda

Flamda = g(x,y)

setting each to 0 and solving I get

lamda = 2 from Fy

subbing into Fx I get x = 1

subbing into g(x,y) and solving I get y = ±1

so the extrema are

(1,1) (1,-1)

edit: I think I shouldve had my equation as

F(x,y) = f(x,y) - lamda g(x,y) rather than f(x,y) + lamda g(x,y)

with that equation I get

x = 0.5
y = ±sqrt 0.75

When you have an inequality constraint g <= 0, your Lagrangian should be F - \lambda g (with \lambda \geq 0) for a _maximization_ problem and should be F + \lambda g (with \lambda \geq 0) for a _minimization_ problem. Alternatively, you could use the single form F - \lambda g for both max or min problems, but now \lambda \geq 0 for a max problem and \lambda \leq 0 for a min problem.

Basically, the way to remember this is to say that the Lagrangian should be *better than* the objective F for feasible points, so if feasible points have g <= 0 we get something bigger than F by subtracting a positive constant times g (and bigger is better when maximizing), and we get something smaller than F by adding a positive constant times g, and smaller is better when minimizing.

RGV
 
so in this case, where the critical points are supposed to fall within that disk, does that mean x and y will have to both be less than the radius of the disk (ie any points in the disk)?
 
The Lagrange multiplier method will help you find extrema on the circumference of the disk. To find extrema in the disk, simply set the partial dervatives of the object function to 0 and see if you find in critical points in the disk.
 
Kuma said:
so in this case, where the critical points are supposed to fall within that disk, does that mean x and y will have to both be less than the radius of the disk (ie any points in the disk)?

I don't understand your question. In your original post you said you were confused about whether you should write F + lambga*g or F - lambda*g, as these gave different solutions. All I did was answer _that_ question; I did not say anything about x and y being less than the radius of the disk or equal to the radius, or anything else like that.

RGV
 

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