Local Max/Min and saddle points

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The discussion revolves around finding local maxima, minima, or saddle points for the function f(x,y) = (x-y)(1-xy). Participants are exploring the necessary steps to analyze the function's critical points through partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expanding the function and calculating its partial derivatives. There is uncertainty about how to set the equations to zero and solve for variables. Some participants question the correctness of the derivatives and suggest using simultaneous equations for further analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen participants working through the problem, with some expressing confusion about solving the equations. There is a mention of using elimination to combine equations, and one participant indicates they have figured out a solution, although the specific methods remain unclear.

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Participants note difficulties in setting the equations to zero and solving for variables, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup. There is also a correction regarding the partial derivative, which suggests a need for careful verification of calculations.

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Homework Statement



Find the local max/min or saddle points of f(x,y) = (x-y)(1-xy)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I expanded the equation to f(x,y) = x-y-(x^2)y+xy^2.

Then I found the partial derivatives of the function.
fx = 1-2xy +y^2
fy = -x^2-2xy

I'm stuck after this part. Usually I can set the function to 0 and solve for x or y, but I can't do that here.
 
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ahhppull said:

Homework Statement



Find the local max/min or saddle points of f(x,y) = (x-y)(1-xy)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I expanded the equation to f(x,y) = x-y-(x^2)y+xy^2.

Then I found the partial derivatives of the function.
fx = 1-2xy +y^2
fy = -x^2-2xy

I'm stuck after this part. Usually I can set the function to 0 and solve for x or y, but I can't do that here.

Your fy is incorrect.

RGV
 
Oh, I managed to type out the whole fy wrong.

It is -x^2 -1 +2yx
 
ahhppull said:
Oh, I managed to type out the whole fy wrong.

It is -x^2 -1 +2yx
So, can you solve the problem now?
 
SammyS said:
So, can you solve the problem now?

No. I don't know how to solve for 0. I can't set both y or x on either side of the equation.
 
Solve these equations simultaneously:

1-2xy +y2 = 0

-x2 -1 +2yx = 0

Use elimination: add them together.
 
SammyS said:
Solve these equations simultaneously:

1-2xy +y2 = 0

-x2 -1 +2yx = 0

Use elimination: add them together.

Thanks man, figured it out
 
ahhppull said:
Thanks man, figured it out

So what solution or solutions do you get?

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
So what solution or solutions do you get?

RGV

Oh, I got saddle points at (1,1) and (-1,-1)
 
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ahhppull said:
Oh, I got saddle points at (1,1) and (-1,-1)

Correct.

RGV
 

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