Lock-in amplifier driving me crazy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced when using an SR830 lock-in amplifier to measure the phase of a signal relative to a reference signal. Participants explore the effects of amplitude fluctuations on phase measurements, questioning the stability of the phase and potential sources of error in the setup.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the amplitude of the input signal changes periodically, leading to unexpected phase measurement variations, despite a good signal-to-noise ratio (SNR).
  • Another participant questions the assumption that the phase of the input signal is stable, given the amplitude instability.
  • A suggestion is made that the method used to alter the amplitude might inadvertently affect the phase, possibly through changes in duty cycle.
  • A participant shares a related experience with oscillators, indicating that amplitude fluctuations can lead to frequency shifts, which may parallel the current issue.
  • One participant asserts that they can measure the phase stability with an oscilloscope and suspects a second weaker signal may be contributing to the phase shift, though they remain uncertain about its impact.
  • The participant mentions using a micro-controller as an oscillator reference and confirms its accuracy against the amplifier's internal function generator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of the phase measurement and the potential causes of the observed phase shifts. There is no consensus on the underlying issue or its resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equipment and configurations, such as the use of a micro-controller and the characteristics of the reference signal. The discussion highlights the complexity of the measurement setup and the potential for multiple factors influencing the results.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals working with lock-in amplifiers, phase measurement techniques, or those troubleshooting similar signal processing issues may find this discussion relevant.

Topher925
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I have a project where I'm measuring the phase of a signal compared to a signal reference using an SR830 lock-in amplifier. My problem is that the amplitude of the input signal periodically changes over time and this is causing a false measurement in the phase of the input signal. I can't figure out what would cause it as the phase measurement should be constant and independent of amplitude, should it not? Keep in mind that this signal has a very good SNR.

The reference signal is a constant amplitude and frequency 50/50 square wave. It doesn't matter what filtering settings I have, if the amplitude of the input signal decreases by 50% the phase measurement will change by roughly 2 degrees or so. What is going on?
 
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If the amplitude is unstable, why are you so sure that the phase of your input signal is stable within 2 deg?
 
Topher925 said:
The reference signal is a constant amplitude and frequency 50/50 square wave. It doesn't matter what filtering settings I have, if the amplitude of the input signal decreases by 50% the phase measurement will change by roughly 2 degrees or so. What is going on?
Perhaps the method you are using to alter the amplitude (e.g., potentiometer) is also causing a change in phase? Maybe you are inadvertently changing the duty cycle, though one would expect the detector to be immune to this.

You will just have to do more testing to determine the basis for the apparent phase change.
 
What type of oscillator is your reference? I had a similar problem with purchased, ovenized crystal oscillators at 3 MHz. Our circuit compared the frequency of two such oscillators to detect long term drift. Like you, when the signal fluctuated in amplitude, we detected a shift in frequency. Since our oscillators were purchased, we simply sent them back to the manufacturer as defective to be replaced.
 
I know that the phase is stable because I can measure it using an oscilloscope. However, I think I may have found the source of the problem, a second weaker signal (same frequency) mixed in with signal I'm trying to measure. I'm still investigating to see if this is the actual cause but given the magnitude of the phase shift I don't believe it is.

I'm actually just using a micro-controller as an oscillator reference. The signals I'm working with are rather low frequency (50-200Hz) and the uC provides enough accuracy for me. I've checked the uC against the internal function generator of the amplifier though and its definitely not the problem.
 

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