Looking for Calculus of Variations resources

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for resources on the Calculus of Variations, including textbooks and other materials. Participants share their experiences with various texts and express their needs for deeper understanding beyond introductory materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks exceptional texts or resources on the Calculus of Variations, expressing dissatisfaction with available previews.
  • Another participant recommends "The Variational Principles of Mechanics" by Lanczos for its motivational aspects in teaching concepts.
  • A participant indicates a desire to delve deeper into the subject, having only encountered it through introductory physics and PDEs.
  • Several participants mention "Calculus of Variations" by I.M. Gelfand and S.V. Fomin as a notable resource, with one expressing that it seems promising despite limited reading.
  • Another participant suggests "Tensors, Differential Forms, and Variational Principles" by Lovelock and Rund as a potential resource.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of accessing Lagrange's "Mécanique Analytique," noting its high price and reported errors in translations.
  • One participant shares that they are gaining insights from Lanczos' book and finding connections to other texts, including those by Jacobi and Hamilton, as well as Goldstein's work.
  • A participant mentions that the Dover catalog lists multiple books on the Calculus of Variations, recommending "Variational Principles" by B. L. Moiseiwitsch among others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on various texts, with some agreeing on the value of specific books while others suggest alternatives. No consensus on a single best resource is reached, and multiple competing views remain regarding the most effective materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants' recommendations are based on personal experiences and preferences, which may vary significantly. Some discussions involve assumptions about the quality and accessibility of texts, as well as the challenges of language barriers and pricing.

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Readers interested in advanced studies of the Calculus of Variations, educators seeking teaching resources, and those exploring connections between classical mechanics and variational principles may find this discussion beneficial.

jackiefrost
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Hi,

Does anyone have any recommendations on an exceptional Calc of Variations text or other resource? The few I've been able to preview at amazon.com didn't impress me. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

jf
 
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Thanks robphy.

I was just looking to go a little deeper than I've been exposed to through introductory Classical Mechanics. I've never just studied Calc of Var itself - just through other textbooks on physics and PDEs.

jf
 
Hey - the book "The Variational Principles of Mechanics" looks exceptional! Read through the preview and reader reviews. Looks like just what I need - a change in perspective. I ordered it. Thanks again for the tip robphy.

jf
 
I believe that Dover has another book on the variational calculus. I can't remember the name of it offhand.
 
Brian_C said:
I believe that Dover has another book on the variational calculus. I can't remember the name of it offhand.

It's "Calculus of Variations" by I.M. Gelfand and S.V. Fomin. It's translated from Russian by Richard Silverman. I've only briefly read through the first few pages but it seems pretty good. I can't get my head out of that Cornelius Lanczos book, "The Variational Principles of Mechanics". That book is amazing!

[I wonder if there's an english translation of Lagrange's "Mécanique Analytique"?]

jf
 
jackiefrost said:
It's "Calculus of Variations" by I.M. Gelfand and S.V. Fomin. It's translated from Russian by Richard Silverman. I've only briefly read through the first few pages but it seems pretty good. I can't get my head out of that Cornelius Lanczos book, "The Variational Principles of Mechanics". That book is amazing!

[I wonder if there's an english translation of Lagrange's "Mécanique Analytique"?]

jf

Glad you are enjoying Lanczos' book.

Concerning Lagrange
(http://books.google.com/books?id=HTEVAAAAQAAJ
http://books.google.com/books?id=MTEVAAAAQAAJ http://books.google.com/books?id=QDEVAAAAQAAJ )...
here is a translation...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0792343492/?tag=pfamazon01-20
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/35919397
 
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Thanks Robphy. I wish I knew French. The $300 price tag is prohibitive - especially coupled with the poor reviews concerning the errors it supposedly contains.

The Lanczos book is opening new vistas for me. I'm also gaining a much deeper appreciation for Lagrange's amazing insights. Looking forward to digging into Jacobi and Hamilton. I have some questions but I'll save them for a while. It seems some of my questions have been getting answered as I progress in that book or switch back and forth with Dare Wells' "Theory and Problems in Lagrangian Dynamics" (Schaums outline). Even Goldstein's text makes more sense now. I owe you a big one for that recommendation!

jf
 
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The current Dover catalog lists 5 book on the Calculus of Variations. You can find them listed on their website: http://www.doverpublications.com

Variational Principles by B. L. Moiseiwitsch (available from Dover) is good as are the other books mentioned by previous posters.
 

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