Looking for shoes with high friction coefficients

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the search for shoes with high coefficients of static friction, particularly in relation to athletic footwear. Participants explore the availability of friction data from major shoe manufacturers and the complexities involved in measuring and comparing friction across different surfaces and conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration at the lack of response from major shoe brands regarding friction data and suggests that such information would benefit consumers.
  • Another participant recommends contacting DC Shoes for potential assistance, highlighting the importance of speaking to engineering departments for technical inquiries.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of friction, noting that it depends on multiple factors, including the surfaces in contact, environmental conditions, and the specific use case of the shoe.
  • Some participants argue that the coefficient of friction may vary significantly based on conditions such as wetness or temperature, questioning the practicality of a single friction coefficient for all scenarios.
  • Discussion includes the idea that individual gait and pressure distribution can affect friction performance, complicating the comparison of shoes.
  • One participant suggests that the general consumer may not prioritize friction data, focusing instead on comfort, price, and style.
  • A later reply acknowledges the complexity of the issue and concludes that it may be unrealistic to expect shoe companies to publish comprehensive friction data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of measuring friction and the factors that influence it. However, there is no consensus on whether shoe companies should provide friction data or if consumers would find it valuable.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in available data, the dependence on specific conditions for friction measurements, and the variability of individual user experiences that may affect shoe performance.

issacnewton
Messages
1,035
Reaction score
37
Hi

Few months ago, I had written to PUMA, ADIDAS, NIKE etc. for the shoes with high coefficients
of static friction, so that I can make more informed decision when I go to these shops next time. None of them replied. I know that, these big companies do a lot of research on the shoes. They must be having such data. Where can I find it ? They should at least be marketing such data since that will give customers better idea and its good for their business.

Thanks
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
IssacNewton: Because those companies were not helpful yet, you might try to contact DC Shoes[/color], to see if they are more helpful. You could try their customer service toll-free telephone number (click on, e.g., store locator, then customer service, at the bottom of the page), and ask to speak to engineering, regarding a technical question. Or ask to speak to the owner, Ken Block. Let us know what you find.
 
Hi, nvn I will write them email. I am in India. PUMA, ADIDAS, NIKE are present here. It seems DC Shoes is more engineering friendly.
 
I am not surprised that this information is not readily available. There are so many more parameters at work here than just the "coefficient of friction" you want. Friction involves Two Surfaces and only one of them is the sole of the shoe. One sole material may behave better than that on another shoe for one surface and worse for another surface. How wet is your running surface likely to be? What temperature will the shoe be operated at?

Motor racing tyres are chosen by a particular team and may well be different from the choice for the other competing cars. If there were a 'best' then everyone would use the same one. There is no answer, I fear. I have a humble pair of sailing boots with three different areas on the sole, reputedly to deal with variations of deck surface. It could all be b/s (and that is very slippery!).
 
sophie, probably you are right. but generally speaking on a dry tar/cement roads like in India, they should have some data...
 
So would they have data, also, for wet slippery running tracks in England and cold roads in Scandinavia or Canada? Some people don't ever use shoes under the conditions you get in India.
You may have found a niche market for this data. You could buy a range of shoes and do your own measurements . . . . .
 
In addition to what sophie has said, you also would need to specify the pressure distribution. ie the c.o.f. would be different when comparing people who walk on the outside of their feet to those who are flat or walking on the inside. http://www.drvseshiah.org/images/Foot%20Pic%202.gif"
Now, that picture is just when someone is standing. When you run the distribution will vary based on a persons gait. Is the person turning? If so, then the line of action on the shoe will be different (changing the orientation of the shoes treads acting upon the road).

There's so many different things to take into consideration, I doubt that using a "default" c.o.f will be of much use.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Why on Earth would you want to do this anyway?

You aren't realistically going to notice the grip difference between one shoe and another under normal wearing conditions, the amount of grip they generate is likely to be roughly the same anyway.

Just buy what's comfy to wear...

Also from a marketing point of view, the vast majority of poeple in the world probably don't care about the grip their trainers generate. They care about price, comfort and style.
 
After taking note of many opinions here, I think its not realistic to expect the shoe companies to publish such data since it depends on so many factors. Thanks ..
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
25K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K