Looking for specific Physics fundamentals textbook

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the search for a physics textbook that effectively combines visual and mathematical explanations of light and electricity, particularly aimed at beginners or undergraduate students. Participants express a desire for resources that provide historical context, experimental setups, and derivations of key concepts in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a textbook that offers both visual and mathematical reasoning for concepts related to light, emphasizing the need for intuition and understanding of historical experiments.
  • Another participant argues that while books can describe how light behaves, they often do not explain why, citing a shift in scientific focus since the 19th century.
  • There is mention of advanced textbooks that require knowledge of 3D vector calculus, suggesting that such resources may be more suitable for those with a strong mathematical background.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the development of scientific theories from observations and experiments, highlighting the mystery of how mathematical models are constructed.
  • Several participants share links to specific books they believe may be relevant to the inquiry, though no consensus on a singular recommended text emerges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the difficulty of finding a textbook that meets the specific criteria of combining visual intuition with mathematical reasoning. However, there is no consensus on which specific books fulfill these needs, and multiple competing views on the availability and suitability of resources remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of how physics concepts are derived and the historical context behind them. There is also a noted dependency on prior knowledge of mathematics, which may restrict access to certain texts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students in physics or related fields, educators seeking resources for teaching, and individuals with a general interest in the historical and conceptual foundations of physics.

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Hi, I'm interested in how light and how electricity works so I'm interested in a beginners (undergraduate level) physics book that has the following:
Giving intuition by showing each experimental setup - visually (with ppictures) and mathematically - which contributed to the understanding of light today. For instance some of the textbooks I red, either explain planks constant with no images or reasoning or they show an image and an equation but don't give the mathematical reasoning behind the image. I need good images to visualize the math, but i also need math to see the reasoning.

Basically I want an intuition and a 100% understanding of how and why we think light can be discribed the way it can, and how it works in practice.
 
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Basically I want an intuition and a 100% understanding of how and why we think light can be discribed the way it can, and how it works in practice.

I don't think you can find this. What you can find are books that will tell you how light behaves but they won't tell you why. I believe this went out of fashion with the caloric theory of heat and the aether theories of the 19th century. Since that time, science pretty much won't even try to tell you why. I saw a video of Richard Feynman explaining that he won't say why magnets (that is, magnetic dipoles) attract because he doesn't know himself (he knows how they attract).

As for books, apart from the "cookbook" books with names like "Physics", the books I found were all pretty advanced. If you could reach the point of knowing 3D vector calculus and the math in a book like https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393099369/?tag=pfamazon01-20, you would be pretty much spoilt for choice.

Books linked to:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393099369/?tag=pfamazon01-20

PS. What I said here was about light and electromagnetic radiation. Please say more about what you want to know about electricity and at what level.
 
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verty said:
I don't think you can find this. What you can find are books that will tell you how light behaves but they won't tell you why. I believe this went out of fashion with the caloric theory of heat and the aether theories of the 19th century. Since that time, science pretty much won't even try to tell you why. I saw a video of Richard Feynman explaining that he won't say why magnets (that is, magnetic dipoles) attract because he doesn't know himself (he knows how they attract).

As for books, apart from the "cookbook" books with names like "Physics", the books I found were all pretty advanced. If you could reach the point of knowing 3D vector calculus and the math in a book like https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393099369/?tag=pfamazon01-20, you would be pretty much spoilt for choice.

Books linked to:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393099369/?tag=pfamazon01-20

PS. What I said here was about light and electromagnetic radiation. Please say more about what you want to know about electricity and at what level.

I'm undergradiate but in biology, I'm just very curious about how physics works and why we defined Units in physics the way we do and how experiements throughtout history demonstrated how light and electricity works. I'f I'm given an equation, I wan't to know how it was discoverd, How it was derived (with images of the experiemntal setup and the derived math) and what conclusions were made from the discovery, If I have this, then I feel i have some form of intuition for it, and then I can relate to how it is used today in Various scientific mesering instruments.

So far I'm thinking about buying this book as a start:https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387987568/?tag=pfamazon01-20
I hope it describes all the experimental setup throughout history. I'm not that good at understanding or visualizing math without images, but with images it makes a lot of sense to me.
 
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@christian0710 did you find the book you were looking for? I am also interested in such a book where it shows exactly what the scientist did to go from observation of phenomena, process of experiment, mathematical modelling and constructing theoretical model. This process is very mysterious to me, especially the part where a mathematical model/theory is developed from scratch; how much knowledge do they already know and how much is assumed/theorized in their model. I haven't seen it presented completely in a textbook and I find it would be so helpful. If you find such a book please share with me the name of it. Thanks.
 
kay bei said:
@christian0710 did you find the book you were looking for? I am also interested in such a book where it shows exactly what the scientist did to go from observation of phenomena, process of experiment, mathematical modelling and constructing theoretical model. This process is very mysterious to me, especially the part where a mathematical model/theory is developed from scratch; how much knowledge do they already know and how much is assumed/theorized in their model. I haven't seen it presented completely in a textbook and I find it would be so helpful. If you find such a book please share with me the name of it. Thanks.
This thread is 8 years old, so the Original Poster is not very likely to answer you. Please keep this discussion in your existing thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ok-which-shows-how-to-develop-theory.1014481/
 

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