Loop analysis with complex components

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of loop analysis in circuits involving complex components, specifically focusing on calculating currents and addressing potential errors in the calculations. Participants explore the intricacies of handling complex numbers in this context.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in converting complex numbers while performing loop analysis and seeks verification of their calculations.
  • Another participant points out potential issues with the assumed directions of loop currents versus branch currents, suggesting this may lead to incorrect signs in the calculations.
  • There is a suggestion to initially solve for mesh currents before calculating branch currents to avoid confusion.
  • Concerns are raised about rounding errors affecting the results, with a recommendation to carry more decimal places in intermediate calculations.
  • One participant questions the correctness of their I1 calculation and discusses the implications of changing the sign of I3, suggesting it could be adjusted after converting to rectangular form.
  • Further discussion occurs regarding how a sign change affects both components of a complex number, particularly in relation to quadrant positioning.
  • Another participant questions the relationship between sign changes and the magnitude of the real component, leading to a clarification that it affects the signs of the components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of sign changes and the handling of complex numbers in their calculations. There is no consensus on the correctness of specific values or methods, indicating an ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding current directions and their impact on calculations. The discussion highlights the complexity of managing phase angles and magnitudes in the context of loop analysis.

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I'm supposed to find the currents flowing through the circuit. While loop analysis is pretty easy, converting a bunch of complex numbers back and forth can get complicated fast. I'm not asking for the exact answer, but please look through the solution to verify if my working is correct. Many thanks.
 

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You might have a bit of a problem with the assumed directions of the loop currents versus the branch currents as defined when you write the loop equations. It shows up as an incorrect sign for your I3 value, yielding an incorrect angle.

I usually find it convenient to ignore the "ammeter" branch currents to begin with and solve for the mesh currents. Then go back and calculate the branch currents from them, taking into account their relative directions.

You also might consider carrying another decimal place or two through your intermediate results, as rounding errors are making their way into your first decimal place.
 
Many thanks for the feedback. Assuming my calculation is correct, is I1 correct? Can't I3 be fixed by a simple sign change (after converting to rectangular form)?
 
geft said:
Many thanks for the feedback. Assuming my calculation is correct, is I1 correct? Can't I3 be fixed by a simple sign change (after converting to rectangular form)?

The sign change will affect both components of the complex number, since the angle has to move from the 1st quadrant to the third quadrant.
 
gneill said:
The sign change will affect both components of the complex number, since the angle has to move from the 1st quadrant to the third quadrant.

Why would it affect the magnitude (real component) if you can just add 180° to the phase?
 
geft said:
Why would it affect the magnitude (real component) if you can just add 180° to the phase?

It affects the signs of the components.
 

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