Lorentz Transformation and Time Dilation

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the Lorentz transformation equations and the time dilation formula in the context of special relativity. Participants explore the definitions and relationships of time coordinates in different inertial reference frames (IRFs) and how proper time is defined in relation to events occurring at the same location.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the distinction between the Lorentz time transformation formula and the time dilation equation, specifically regarding the meaning of the time variables involved.
  • Another participant clarifies that in the Lorentz transformation, t represents the time coordinate of a single event in one IRF, while t' represents the time coordinate of the same event in a different IRF moving with respect to the first.
  • It is noted that in the time dilation formula, t is the time interval between two events at the same location in one IRF, and t' is the time interval for the same events in a different IRF.
  • A further elaboration is provided on the transformation of time intervals between two events, indicating that if the events occur at the same location in one frame, the time interval in the other frame can be expressed as Δt' = γ(Δt).
  • Another participant discusses the spatial interval transformation, highlighting that if the spatial interval is defined as zero in one frame, it results in a non-zero spatial interval in the other frame, indicating that the events do not occur at the same location in that frame.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the definitions of proper time and the relationships between time coordinates in different reference frames, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of these transformations in all scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of proper time and the conditions under which the Lorentz transformations apply. There is an implicit dependence on the context of events occurring in the same location versus different locations, which may not be fully resolved.

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I've managed to confuse myself and don't understand the difference between the formula for Lorentz time transformation (t'=γ(t-vx/c^2) and the time dilation equation t'=γ(t_proper)

As I understand, proper time is difference between two events that happen in same place in a given reference frame.

So what do the t's relate to in the Lorentz transformation equation as they must be something different?
 
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In the Lorentz transformation equations, t is the time coordinate of a single event in one inertial reference frame (IRF). t' is the time coordinate of the same event in a different IRF, that is moving with respect to the first one with velocity v.

In the time dilation formula, t is the time interval between two events that occur at the same location in one IRF, and t' is the time interval between the same two events in a different IRF, that is moving with respect to the first one with velocity v.
 
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Makes sense - Thanks
 
We can write the transformation for the interval between two events like this:

Δt'=γ(Δt-vΔx/c^2)

if Δt is the interval between two events at the same location in S, then xΔ=0 and the time interval measured in S' is then:

Δt'=γ(Δt)

Δt is the proper time measured in S and Δt' is the coordinate time measured in S'. However, if we calculate the transformation to S' of the spatial interval between the same two events we get:

Δx'=γ(Δx-vΔt)

Since we defined Δx as zero in S, and if Δt is non zero, then we get:

Δx'=γ(vΔt) ≠ 0

which means the two events do not occur in the same place in S' and that is why it is called a coordinate time interval and not a proper time interval in S'.
 

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