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i am confused what a lorentz transformation really is or is it just a transformation described by the boost transformation.
The discussion revolves around the concept of Lorentz transformations, specifically their definition, conditions for validity, and the relationship between different inertial reference frames in relative motion. Participants explore both mathematical and physical interpretations, as well as the implications of specific configurations in the context of special relativity.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessary conditions for Lorentz transformations, with multiple competing views regarding the standard arrangement and the implications of specific configurations.
Limitations include the dependence on definitions of "standard arrangement" and the unresolved nature of the mathematical conditions for the validity of Lorentz transformations in various configurations.
A Lorentz transformation establishes a relationship between the space-time coordinates of the sameevent detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion and in the standard arrangement and with well defined initial conditions. The two events (E(x,y,z,t) and E'(x',y',z',t') take place at the same point in space when the synchronized clocks (a la Einstein) of the two inertial frames, located at that point, read t and t'.captain said:i am confused what a lorentz transformation really is or is it just a transformation described by the boost transformation.
[emphasis(underlined) mine]bernhard.rothenstein said:A Lorentz transformation establishes a relationship between the space-time coordinates of the sameevent detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion and in the standard arrangement and with well defined initial conditions.
neutrino said:[emphasis(underlined) mine]
Is that a necessary condition? (By "standard arrangement" I assume you are referring to the standard configuration of inertial coordinate systems.)
bernhard.rothenstein said:I assume the same thing as you do. Parallel axes, overlapped OX(O'X') axes, motion of I' relative to I in the positive direction of the overlapped axes, coincidence of the origins at the origin of time. I am not very familiar with the standard English terms.
Thanks for your question and help
bernhard.rothenstein said:A Lorentz transformation establishes a relationship between the space-time coordinates of the sameevent detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion and in the standard arrangement and with well defined initial conditions.
The way in which you present the LT, they hold in the case when the I' frame where the event involved in the transformation is E'(x',y',t') moves with speed v in the positive direction of the overlapped OX(O'X') axes relative to the I frame where the same event is E(x,y,t) in a two space dimensions approach. You can easy test the condition x'=0 for t=0 and x=0. You can add y=y'=0. That is the scenario that leads to the simplest shaped LT. Further questions?neutrino said:But you still haven't answered my question.
Is it necessary for the relative motion be along the x-axes (y- and z-axes parallel) and the origins to coincide at t = t' =0 for the transformations to be valid?
I ask this because the OP didn't specifically mention
[tex]x' = \gamma\left(x - \beta ct)[/tex]
[tex]ct' = \gamma\left(ct - \beta x)[/tex]
(or its inverse).