Lorentz Transformation Explained: What Is It?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of Lorentz transformations, specifically their definition, conditions for validity, and the relationship between different inertial reference frames in relative motion. Participants explore both mathematical and physical interpretations, as well as the implications of specific configurations in the context of special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the nature of Lorentz transformations and whether they are solely defined by boost transformations.
  • A Lorentz transformation is described as establishing a relationship between space-time coordinates of events detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion, under specific initial conditions.
  • Questions are raised regarding the necessity of the "standard arrangement" for Lorentz transformations, with participants discussing the implications of parallel axes and coinciding origins.
  • One participant emphasizes that Lorentz transformations encompass more than just boost transformations, including spatial rotations and possibly reflections.
  • There is a query about whether the relative motion must be along the x-axis and if the origins need to coincide at t = t' = 0 for the transformations to hold valid.
  • Participants discuss the mathematical formulation of Lorentz transformations and the conditions under which they apply, particularly in two-dimensional scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessary conditions for Lorentz transformations, with multiple competing views regarding the standard arrangement and the implications of specific configurations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of "standard arrangement" and the unresolved nature of the mathematical conditions for the validity of Lorentz transformations in various configurations.

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i am confused what a lorentz transformation really is or is it just a transformation described by the boost transformation.
 
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captain said:
i am confused what a lorentz transformation really is or is it just a transformation described by the boost transformation.
A Lorentz transformation establishes a relationship between the space-time coordinates of the sameevent detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion and in the standard arrangement and with well defined initial conditions. The two events (E(x,y,z,t) and E'(x',y',z',t') take place at the same point in space when the synchronized clocks (a la Einstein) of the two inertial frames, located at that point, read t and t'.
 
bernhard.rothenstein said:
A Lorentz transformation establishes a relationship between the space-time coordinates of the sameevent detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion and in the standard arrangement and with well defined initial conditions.
[emphasis(underlined) mine]

Is that a necessary condition? (By "standard arrangement" I assume you are referring to the standard configuration of inertial coordinate systems.)
 
neutrino said:
[emphasis(underlined) mine]

Is that a necessary condition? (By "standard arrangement" I assume you are referring to the standard configuration of inertial coordinate systems.)

I assume the same thing as you do. Parallel axes, overlapped OX(O'X') axes, motion of I' relative to I in the positive direction of the overlapped axes, coincidence of the origins at the origin of time. I am not very familiar with the standard English terms.
Thanks for your question and help
 
bernhard.rothenstein said:
I assume the same thing as you do. Parallel axes, overlapped OX(O'X') axes, motion of I' relative to I in the positive direction of the overlapped axes, coincidence of the origins at the origin of time. I am not very familiar with the standard English terms.
Thanks for your question and help

But you still haven't answered my question. :wink:

Is it necessary for the relative motion be along the x-axes (y- and z-axes parallel) and the origins to coincide at t = t' =0 for the transformations to be valid?

I ask this because the OP didn't specifically mention
[tex]x' = \gamma\left(x - \beta ct)[/tex]
[tex]ct' = \gamma\left(ct - \beta x)[/tex]
(or its inverse).
 
bernhard.rothenstein said:
A Lorentz transformation establishes a relationship between the space-time coordinates of the sameevent detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion and in the standard arrangement and with well defined initial conditions.

A Lorentz transformation is simply an element of the Lorentz group, the group of the linear, homogenous and orthogonal transformations of the Minkowski space ([itex]\mathbb{M}_{4}=\left(\mathbb{R}^{4},\eta\right)[/itex]), group shown to be isomorphic to [itex]O(1,3,\mathbb{R})[/itex]. That's the mathematical definition.

The physical one is contained in your post: <<A Lorentz transformation establishes a relationship between the space-time coordinates of the same event detected from two inertial reference frames in relative motion>>.
 
The Lorentz Transformations include more than the boost transformations... spatial rotations [and possibly reflections] are included.
 
neutrino said:
But you still haven't answered my question. :wink:

Is it necessary for the relative motion be along the x-axes (y- and z-axes parallel) and the origins to coincide at t = t' =0 for the transformations to be valid?

I ask this because the OP didn't specifically mention
[tex]x' = \gamma\left(x - \beta ct)[/tex]
[tex]ct' = \gamma\left(ct - \beta x)[/tex]
(or its inverse).
The way in which you present the LT, they hold in the case when the I' frame where the event involved in the transformation is E'(x',y',t') moves with speed v in the positive direction of the overlapped OX(O'X') axes relative to the I frame where the same event is E(x,y,t) in a two space dimensions approach. You can easy test the condition x'=0 for t=0 and x=0. You can add y=y'=0. That is the scenario that leads to the simplest shaped LT. Further questions?
 

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