Lorentz transformation lab to CM system

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in the context of particle physics, specifically transitioning from a laboratory frame to a center of mass (CM) frame for a binary reaction involving two particles. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and implications of these transformations.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to perform a Lorentz transformation between the lab and CM systems, referencing kinematic variables and seeking clarification on the transformation process. Some participants provide equations related to the velocity of the CM and suggest using these to derive the transformation. Others express confusion regarding the transformation matrix and its physical meaning.

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Which Lorentz transformation takes the lab system to the CM system?

Lab system: [tex]p_a = (E^{lab}_a, \vec{p}_a)[/tex] and [tex]p_b = (m_b, \vec{0})[/tex]
CM system: [tex]p_a = (E^{CM}_a, \vec{p})[/tex] and [tex]p_b = (E^{CM}_b, -\vec{p})[/tex]

For a binary reaction a+b->c+d, the textbooks I have say quite a lot about the kinematics of such reactions (Mandelstam variables and all that) but how do I go about doing a Lorentz transformation between the lab and CM system? That must be possible to do.
 
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The velocity of CM in the scattering of two particles with rest mass [itex]m_1[/itex] and [itex]m_2[/itex] is given by

[tex]\vec{u}_{CM}=\frac{\vec{p}_1+\vec{p}_2}{E_1+E_2}\,c^2[/tex]

from which you can find the Lorentz transformation.
 
So a lorentz transformation from the lab frame to the CM frame would be
[tex] \left[ \begin{array}{cccc} \gamma & -\beta \gamma & 0 & 0 \\ -\beta \gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{array} \right][/tex]
with [tex]\beta = ||\vec{u_{CM}}||[/tex] and [tex]\gamma = (1-\beta^2)^{-1/2}[/tex]?
It doesn't make any sense to me.
 
It doesn't make any sense to me.

The crusial thing is to make sense in nature, not to any of us.
First system of center of mass for two particles is defined by the requirement, that [itex](\vec{p}_1+\vec{p}_2)_{CM}=0[/itex]. The general Lorentz transormation [itex](c=1)[/itex] is

[tex]\Lambda=\begin{pmatrix} \gamma& \gamma\,\vec{\beta} \cr \gamma\,\vec{\beta} & \delta_{\alpha\beta}+\frac{\gamma-1}{\beta^2}\,\beta_\alpha\,\beta_\beta \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

Take now the 4-vector [itex]p^\alpha_1=(E_1,\vec{p}_1)[/itex] and apply [itex]\Lambda[/itex] with [itex]\beta=\frac{\vec{p}_1+\vec{p}_2}{E_1+E_2}[/itex], to get for the 3-momentum [itex]\vec{P}_1,\,\vec{P}_2[/itex] to the CM system:

[tex]\vec{P}_1=\Lambda\,\vec{p}_1\Rightarrow \vec{P}_1=\gamma\,\left(E_1+\frac{\gamma}{\gamma+1}\,\vec{\beta}\,\vec{p}_1\right)\,\vec{\beta}+\vec{p}_1[/itex]<br /> [tex]\vec{P}_2=\Lambda\,\vec{p}_2\Rightarrow \vec{P}_2=\gamma\,\left(E_2+\frac{\gamma}{\gamma+1}\,\vec{\beta}\,\vec{p}_2\right)\,\vec{\beta}+\vec{p}_2[/itex]<br /> <br /> Adding now the two equations we get<br /> <br /> [tex]\vec{P}_1+\vec{P}_2=\gamma\,\left(E_1+E_2+\frac{\gamma}{\gamma+1}\,\vec{\beta}\,(\vec{p}_1+\vec{p}_2)\right)\,\vec{\beta}+\left(\vec{p}_1+\vec{p}_2\right)\Rightarrow \vec{P}_1+\vec{P}_2=\gamma\,\left(E_1+E_2+\frac{\gamma}{\gamma+1}\,\vec{\beta}\,(E_1+E_2)\,\vec{\beta}\right)\,\vec{\beta}+\left(E_1+E_2\right)\,\vec{\beta}\Rightarrow[/tex]<br /> [tex]\vec{P}_1+\vec{P}_2=\gamma\,(E_1+E_2)\,\left(1+\frac{\gamma}{\gamma+1}\,\beta^2\right)\,\vec{\beta}+\left(E_1+E_2\right)\,\vec{\beta}\Rightarrow \vec{P}_1+\vec{P}_2=0[/tex]<br /> <br /> Now does it makes sense?[/tex][/tex]
 

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