Loss of heat from magma of Earth

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical effects of significant heat loss from the Earth's magma, particularly focusing on its potential impact on the Earth's rotation about its axis and revolution around the Sun. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving solidification of magma and its implications for planetary dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if the Earth's magma solidified, it would not noticeably affect the Earth's rotation or revolution.
  • Others argue that solidification could lead to the shutdown of the Earth's magnetic field, raising concerns about the effects of solar wind, drawing a parallel to Mars.
  • A participant proposes a theoretical comparison between two hollow steel balls, one with a more fluid interior and one with a less fluid interior, questioning how this would affect their rotation and revolution.
  • Some participants challenge the assumption that having liquid inside a planet would significantly affect its rotation rate, referencing Jupiter's rapid rotation despite being mostly gas and liquid.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of liquids in rotating systems, with one participant suggesting that a solid interior might lead to different rotational dynamics compared to a liquid interior.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of viscous friction in liquids, arguing that it would lead to the liquid spinning up to match the speed of the container's walls.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity of the discussion and expresses gratitude for the insights shared.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of magma solidification on planetary rotation and revolution, with no consensus reached on the implications of liquid versus solid interiors on rotational dynamics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of fluids and solids in rotating systems, and the implications of planetary formation on current rotational speeds, which remain unresolved.

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If the Earth's magma lost enough heat for it to solidify to a noticeable extent(permanent change, assuming irreversible), how would it affect its rotation about Earth's own axis and revolution around the Sun?
 
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It wouldn't affect the Earth's rotation noticeably - only in tiny fractions of a percentage from the Earth doing less re-arranging of itself. It wouldn't affect the revolution at all.
 
It would however shut off the Earth's magetic field and then we'd have big problems with the solar wind. Some think this is why Mars is dead.
 
russ_watters said:
It wouldn't affect the Earth's rotation noticeably - only in tiny fractions of a percentage from the Earth doing less re-arranging of itself. It wouldn't affect the revolution at all.

If I were to assume that in a theoretical planet similar to Earth, and the significant solidification of magma was consistent through the whole body, what difference would it make?
Its something like a hollow steel ball with a more fluid interior versus another similar hollow steel ball with a less fluid interior. Would one spin faster/more unstably than the other? Would one travel faster than the other? (assuming both have same mass of fluid inside)
 
That one has a little liquid inside doesn't suggest anything about the rate of rotation compared to the other.
 
russ_watters said:
That one has a little liquid inside doesn't suggest anything about the rate of rotation compared to the other.

Is this about motion causing gels and liquids to act similarly?
 
I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what you are asking. But you seem to think there is a reason why having some liquid inside a planet would affect the rotation rate. Could you explain why you think that and maybe we can address that more directly.

Consider, though, that Jupiter, which is almost entirely gas and liquid and is much larger than Earth, rotates in 10 hours.
 
russ_watters said:
I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what you are asking. But you seem to think there is a reason why having some liquid inside a planet would affect the rotation rate. Could you explain why you think that and maybe we can address that more directly.

Consider, though, that Jupiter, which is almost entirely gas and liquid and is much larger than Earth, rotates in 10 hours.

Hmm. I may be wrong, but i think that a planet with maybe 5 arbitrary units of solid in its interior would rotate faster/revolve faster than a planet with 1 arbitrary units of liquid.

And would the solid adsorb more to the inner surface of the planet shell? Like if you spin a bucket with water in it, the bucket(planet shell) would move more independently in comparison to the liquid than one with cement in it.
 
Tan PK said:
Hmm. I may be wrong, but i think that a planet with maybe 5 arbitrary units of solid in its interior would rotate faster/revolve faster than a planet with 1 arbitrary units of liquid.
No, this is not necessarily the case.
And would the solid adsorb more to the inner surface of the planet shell? Like if you spin a bucket with water in it, the bucket(planet shell) would move more independently in comparison to the liquid than one with cement in it.
If you spin the bucket for just a little while, the entire mass of liquid in it will soon spin-up to the speed of the walls of the bucket due to viscous friction...and magma (and the Earth's mantle) is very viscous.

Also, consider that the Earth formed from a rotating cloud of debris, which is why it is rotating in the first place. So your spinning bucket analogy implies that the Earth had to be accelerated up to its current rotational speed, when the reality is that it was created with that speed.
 
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Ahh. Thank you so much!
 

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