Losses in AC and DC power tranfer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison of power losses in AC (Alternating Current) and DC (Direct Current) electricity transfer, particularly in the context of power lines and network engineering. Participants explore the implications of using AC versus DC, including the effects of voltage, current, and encoding methods on power loss.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the accuracy of a statement claiming that AC loses less power over power lines than DC, seeking clarification with electricity formulas.
  • Another participant argues that AC has more losses due to capacitive effects, suggesting that the comparison is complex.
  • A participant explains that the preference for certain line encoding methods in network engineering is to eliminate the DC component in signals, which is necessary for transformer compatibility.
  • It is noted that resistive losses are proportional to the square of the current (I^2), and that higher voltage results in lower current for the same power, thus reducing resistive losses for both AC and DC.
  • One participant mentions that while DC avoids capacitance issues and allows for higher voltages, it incurs costs related to AC-DC conversion and potential corona losses at high voltages.
  • DC is also highlighted as beneficial for connecting unsynchronized AC networks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the losses associated with AC and DC, with no consensus reached on which is definitively better in terms of power loss. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall efficiency of AC versus DC in power transfer.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the complexities of the losses associated with AC and DC, including the impact of voltage levels, current, and specific conditions under which each type of current may be more advantageous.

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Hello,

I have forgotten most of the electricity physics we studied and I have problem describing/understanding a concept.

Does AC current produce less loss than a DC current? I found this statement in a website: "AC electricity loses less power over power lines than DC" (http://www.blueraja.com/blog/176/wh...c-instead-of-direct-current-dc-in-power-lines).

1- Is above statement correct? Could you describe it with electricity formulas?

2- In network engineering we prefer a line encoding (method of converting 0 and 1s into electrical signals) that produces a signal with a surface under the curve being almost zero (integral of the signal level being zero). Why is that? Does it result in less losses on the line?

Thanks
 
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wmac said:
2- In network engineering we prefer a line encoding (method of converting 0 and 1s into electrical signals) that produces a signal with a surface under the curve being almost zero (integral of the signal level being zero). Why is that? Does it result in less losses on the line?
No. The reason we do that, is to ensure that there is no DC component in the signal. This is important if we want the signal to pass through a transformer on the way.
 
The amount of losses is mostly poroprtional to I^2. For the same power a higher voltage nees less current and thus less resistive losses. That is true AC or DC.

But the lack of capacitance problems with DC, allows the use of higher voltages. But it comes at the substantial cost of AC-DC conversion at each end and each tap point. At high voltages, corona losses also become significant.

DC is also useful to connect AC nets that are not synchronized with each other.
 

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