M6.8 and M6.3 east of Mindanao, Philippines

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The discussion centers around two recent earthquakes near Barcelona, Philippines, specifically a magnitude 6.8 and a magnitude 6.3 event. Participants explore the implications of these earthquakes, particularly regarding tsunami warnings and the mechanics of seismic activity.

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  • Participants note that the magnitude 6.8 earthquake was initially reported as 6.7 and discuss its depth and location.
  • Some participants seek clarification on what "no tsunami warning issued" means, suggesting it indicates no significant underwater activity that could generate a tsunami.
  • One participant elaborates on conditions under which tsunami warnings might be issued, including detection of significant undersea earthquakes and unusual sea level changes.
  • Another participant discusses the nature of the thrust fault associated with the 6.8 earthquake, indicating it is below the typical threshold for tsunami generation.
  • Historical context is provided regarding a past earthquake in Papua New Guinea that generated a significant tsunami, suggesting that undersea landslides can also play a role in tsunami generation.

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Participants generally agree that the magnitude of the earthquakes is below the typical threshold for tsunami generation, but there are differing views on the specific mechanics and conditions that lead to tsunami warnings.

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Some assumptions regarding the relationship between earthquake magnitude and tsunami generation are discussed, but no consensus is reached on the nuances of these conditions.

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M 6.8 - 18 km ENE of Barcelona, Philippines​

(was reported initially as M6.7)
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000nhqc/executive
  • 2024-08-02 22:23:01 (UTC)
  • 8.193°N 126.600°E
  • 25.8 km depth

M 6.3 - 36 km E of Barcelona, Philippines​

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000nht0/executive
  • 2024-08-03 04:20:26 (UTC)
  • 8.170°N 126.764°E
  • 15.9 km depth

Many smaller earthquakes in the vicinity in the M4.4 to M5.3 range. No tsunami warning issued.

https://www.voanews.com/a/magnitude-earthquake-hits-off-philippines-mindanao-island/7728430.html
 

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A "no tsunami warning issued" means there was no activity in the water to be concerned about, such as an underwater earthquake or a landslide into the water, right?
 
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jedishrfu said:
A "no tsunami warning issued" means there was no activity in the water to be concerned about, such as an underwater earthquake or a landslide into the water, right?
Right, there would have been no significant displacement of a volume of earth (subsea surface) and/or volume of water. The displacement could have been lateral, instead of vertical, and there was no apparent underwater slide, or if there was, it was away from Mindanao.

Maybe @davenn can comment.
 
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I also found that the issuing authority might also decide to issue a warning under the following conditions:

1. Detection of an Undersea Earthquake: A warning may be issued if an undersea earthquake of significant magnitude (typically 7.5 or higher) is detected, particularly in areas known for producing tsunamis.

2. Unusual Sea Level Changes: If significant and unusual sea-level changes are observed, such as rapid rises or falls, this may indicate that a tsunami has been generated, and a warning will be issued.

3. Reports of Tsunami Activity: Credible reports of tsunami activity, such as from coastal residents, ships, or buoys, can trigger a tsunami warning.

4. Confirmation from Tsunami Detection Systems: Tsunami detection systems, such as deep-ocean buoys or coastal tide gauges, can confirm the presence of a tsunami. If these systems detect a tsunami, a warning will be issued.

5. Historical Data and Tsunami Models: If the conditions match those of previous events that have produced tsunamis and models predict a potential tsunami, authorities may issue a warning.
 
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Astronuc said:
. The displacement could have been lateral, instead of vertical, and there was no apparent underwater slide, or if there was, it was away from Mindanao.

Maybe @davenn can comment.

jedishrfu said:
1. Detection of an Undersea Earthquake: A warning may be issued if an undersea earthquake of significant magnitude (typically 7.5 or higher) is detected, particularly in areas known for producing tsunamis.

hi guys,
yes, tho this was a thrust fault, which are the ones that cause most tsunamis, at M6.8, it's well below the magnitude of what would normally cause a tsunami. below the "beachball focal mechanism for the 6.8
main shock. It is mostly thrust ( reverse faulting) with a very small component of strike-slip. Hence why the blue area is offset vertically. With north at the top, the thrust direction was to the WNW ( roughly in a line between the P and the T.


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That M7.5 mentioned above is a pretty good guideline for quake size and tsunami generation.

I only recall one M7 quake that produced a significant tsunami. It was on the north coast of New Guinea
On July 17, 1998, a 7.0 magnitude (Mw) earthquake struck the island of Papua New Guinea at 5:49 p.m.
local time.
PNG quake and tsunami

With an up to 15m of run-up. It has been suggested, for various reasons, that the 7.0 triggered an
under-sea land slide that caused a large water colum offset to produce the tsunami.
That article covers it well.

cheers
Dave
 
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