Magnetic Bottle and the Kinetic Energy of a Charged Particle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a charged particle within a magnetic bottle, particularly focusing on its kinetic energy and motion as it interacts with magnetic fields. Participants explore the implications of magnetic forces, energy conservation, and the effects of electromagnetic radiation on the particle's energy state.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that a charged particle in a magnetic bottle maintains constant kinetic energy while changing direction, suggesting that it does not stop but merely turns around.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial claim about the particle's kinetic energy remaining constant.
  • Concerns are raised about energy loss due to electromagnetic radiation generated by the particle's acceleration.
  • A participant mentions that the presence of a longitudinal magnetic field gradient complicates the situation, introducing additional forces that may affect the particle's motion.
  • There is a discussion about the misconception that the particle stops (zero kinetic energy) before changing direction, with one participant labeling this as an oversimplification.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of the auroras, emphasizing that their optical emissions result from collisions between precipitating particles and neutral atoms, rather than from radiation due to accelerating charged particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the particle's kinetic energy remaining constant, there are competing views regarding the effects of electromagnetic radiation and the implications of magnetic field gradients. The discussion remains unresolved on certain aspects, particularly concerning energy loss and the role of electric fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the absence of electric fields and the specific conditions under which the particle's behavior is analyzed. There are also unresolved questions regarding the impact of electromagnetic radiation on energy conservation.

fog37
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Hello,

When a charged particle is inside a magnetic bottle at the right speed, the particle bounces back and forth and is confined inside the magnetic field.
The magnetic force does not work on the particle hence the particle's kinetic energy remains constant.

That means that the particle may change direction at the end of the bottles but will never stop (zero KE), correct? What happens is that the longitudinal speed goes to zero but not the transverse speed keeping KE constant. Essentially, the particle does not stop but simply turns out without stopping...

Is that correct?

Thanks!
 
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That is correct.
 
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Does it not lose some energy because the charged particle's acceleration generates some EM radiation?
 
berkeman said:
Does it not lose some energy because the charged particle's acceleration generates some EM radiation?
Sure, northern lights but on a much smaller scale.
 
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kuruman said:
That is correct.
Thank you. I have read some author mention that the charged particle STOPs (zero KE) before changing direction...I guess that is an incorrect oversimplification. Also, my question implies that only the magnetic force ##F_B## is present (NO electric field ##E##). However, there is a nonzero longitudinal magnetic field gradient in the magnetic bottle due to the nonuniform ##B## field.
  • The force acting on the particles seems to be ##F = B \times \nabla B## instead of simply ##F = qv \times B##
  • From the charged particle perspective (frame of reference), the B field is changing in time, which causes an electric field, in virtue of Maxwell's equation. The generated ##E## field produces an electric force on the particle that slows it down...
 
fog37 said:
I have read some author mention that the charged particle STOPs (zero KE) before changing direction...I guess that is an incorrect oversimplification
You know the rules... :wink:

Link required...
 
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kuruman said:
Sure, northern lights but on a much smaller scale.
Actually, the optical emission we see as the northern lights is not due to radiation from accelerating charged particles. Instead, what is happening is that the precipitating particles collide with neutral atoms and molecules (mostly atomic oxygen and molecular nitrogen). Those collisions either bump those neutrals into higher energy states or ionize them. When the oxygen and nitrogen go back down to lower energy states they emit the light that we see as the aurora.

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jasonRF said:
Actually, the optical emission we see as the northern lights is not due to radiation from accelerating charged particles. Instead, what is happening is that the precipitating particles collide with neutral atoms and molecules (mostly atomic oxygen and molecular nitrogen). Those collisions either bump those neutrals into higher energy states or ionize them. When the oxygen and nitrogen go back down to lower energy states they emit the light that we see as the aurora.

jason
I stand corrected.
 
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berkeman said:
You know the rules... :wink:

Link required...

Thank you berkeman, I was reading physics notes on various websites and none seem to indicate that when the charged particle is "reflected", the KE does not change so the particle keeps the same speed while it does the turnaround at the magnetic bottle's edge and does not really slow down or stop.
 

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