A charged particle entering a magnetic field at an angle -- is work done?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a magnetic field does work on a charged particle, specifically when the particle enters the field at an angle, such as 35 degrees. Participants explore the implications of magnetic forces on energy and motion, considering both uniform and non-uniform magnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a purely magnetic field does not do work on charged particles because the magnetic force is always perpendicular to the velocity, leading to zero power transfer.
  • Others emphasize that even if a charged particle enters the magnetic field at an angle, the magnetic force remains perpendicular to the velocity, thus not doing work.
  • One participant questions whether changing the direction of motion implies that energy must be expended or gained, suggesting that centripetal motion does not change energy despite changes in direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a magnetic field does not do work on charged particles due to the perpendicular nature of the magnetic force to the velocity. However, there is some debate regarding the implications of entering the field at an angle and the relationship between direction change and energy expenditure.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve whether energy changes in non-uniform magnetic fields or under specific conditions, leaving some assumptions and dependencies on definitions unaddressed.

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Hello PF's members

I know a magnetic field doesn't work on charged particles if magnetic field being perpendicular to the velocity of the particles. also i know magnetic field doesn't work if a charged particle enters with right angle into the field.

But suppose that a charged particle like electron is entering with angel 35 degree at a uniform magnetic field.
Does magnetic field work on charged particle after entering and electron gains energy? what about when magnetic field is non-uniform?
 
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A purely magnetic field never does work on the charged particle since the force is always perpendicular to the velocity,
$$\vec{F}_{\text{mag}}=\frac{q}{c} \vec{v} \times \vec{B} \; \Rightarrow \; P=\vec{v} \cdot \vec{F}=0.$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
A purely magnetic field never does work on the charged particle since the force is always perpendicular to the velocity,
$$\vec{F}_{\text{mag}}=\frac{q}{c} \vec{v} \times \vec{B} \; \Rightarrow \; P=\vec{v} \cdot \vec{F}=0.$$

EVEN If the electron enters the field at an angle to the field direction, magnetic force remains perpendicular to the velocity?
 
Yes, the force is always perpendicular to both the field and the velocity.
 
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therefore for changing motion of object in direction we always don't have to expend (or gain) energy?
 
big_bounce said:
therefore for changing motion of object in direction we always don't have to expend (or gain) energy?

Think of a simple case of centripetal motion at some constant potential energy state (perhaps a "car" going around a circular, horizontal track at constant speed). The centripetal force is responsible for the change in motion, but that doesn't mean the energy changes (constant speed means constant kinetic energy).
 

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