High School Magnetic Field & Particle Spin: Does It Matter?

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SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the relationship between particle spin and the magnetic fields generated by moving charged particles, specifically protons and lithium nuclei. It is established that while magnetic fields are typically produced by moving charges, the spin of particles, such as protons with spin 1/2 and lithium nuclei with spin 3/2, may influence the characteristics of these fields. The conversation also highlights that neutrons, despite having spin, do not generate magnetic fields due to their lack of charge, although they possess a magnetic dipole moment in the quark model. The notion of describing magnetic fields as spin fields is proposed as a qualitative perspective.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of quantum mechanics, particularly particle spin
  • Familiarity with classical electromagnetism and magnetic fields
  • Knowledge of particle physics, specifically protons, neutrons, and lithium nuclei
  • Basic grasp of the quark model and magnetic dipole moments
NEXT STEPS
  • Explore the implications of particle spin on magnetic fields in "Quantum Electrodynamics"
  • Research "Magnetic Dipole Moments" in the context of the quark model
  • Study "Electromagnetic Fields of Spinning Charged Particles" for classical interpretations
  • Investigate the role of spin in "Neutron Magnetic Moments" and their implications in particle physics
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Physicists, students of quantum mechanics, and anyone interested in the interplay between particle spin and electromagnetic fields will benefit from this discussion.

synch
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Does the magnetic field caused by moving particles depend on the particle spin value?
Eg a stream of say protons spin 1/2 is creating a magnetic field. If the particles are (say) lithium nuclei spin 3/2 instead, does that create the same strength field ? (same conditions of course)
 
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synch said:
Eg a stream of say protons spin 1/2 is creating a magnetic field.
Do you think that this magnetic field arises from the, presumably, aligned spins of the protons in the beam or from the current generated by the moving charged particles?
 
[Will the spins be aligned in a weak field? .]

The standard logic goes, magnetic fields are typically created by moving charge, and so on. But charge always seems to be associated with spin, so there is also spin involved. Hence my question regarding using changed spin .
In general I am wondering if a magnetic field might be better described as a spin field - it makes more sense to me at least, ( qualitatively). That would maybe make the classical "lines of force" more sensible as directrices of resultant force or similar.

This might be better at the intermediate level, - it is long time since I did physics, hopefully it is a sensible question :)
 
synch said:
[Will the spins be aligned in a weak field? .]

The standard logic goes, magnetic fields are typically created by moving charge, and so on. But charge always seems to be associated with spin, so there is also spin involved. Hence my question regarding using changed spin .
In general I am wondering if a magnetic field might be better described as a spin field - it makes more sense to me at least, ( qualitatively). That would maybe make the classical "lines of force" more sensible as directrices of resultant force or similar.

This might be better at the intermediate level, - it is long time since I did physics, hopefully it is a sensible question :)
Technically the spin of an electron is quantum mechanical. If we treated the electron classically, then in the rest frame of the electron we would have the electromagnetic field associated with a spinning ball of charge. Which we could transform to the frame in which the electron is moving.

I'm not sure of the qualitative significance of the spin in this case. And, of course, the magnetic dipole moment of the electron is twice that calculated from classical electrodynamics. See, for example:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html
 
synch said:
But charge always seems to be associated with spin, so there is also spin involved.
Not always. Neutrons have spin but they have no charge. As far as I know, there are no magnetic fields associated with neutron beams.
 
kuruman said:
Not always. Neutrons have spin but they have no charge. As far as I know, there are no magnetic fields associated with neutron beams.
In classical EM, the neutron should have no magnetic dipole moment (at least if we consider it as an elementary particle). But in the quark model, it does have a measurable magnetic dipole moment.
 
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