Magnetic Field Torque: Surrounding vs. Net Vector Addition?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of torque in the context of electromagnets and magnetic fields. Participants explore whether the torque exerted on an electromagnet is influenced solely by the external magnetic field or if it also includes the electromagnet's own magnetic field through vector addition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the torque formula should consider just the surrounding magnetic field or the net vector addition of the surrounding field and the electromagnet's own field.
  • Another participant asks if the polarity of the two fields being in opposition would matter for the torque calculation.
  • Some participants assert that only the external field is relevant for the torque calculation.
  • A participant inquires about the implications of ignoring the original magnetic field and how changes in current through the electromagnet might affect torque.
  • It is noted that torque depends on the external field, the effective magnetic dipole moment of the electromagnet, and their relative orientations.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of torque as a twisting force rather than pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the electromagnet's own magnetic field should be included in the torque calculation, with some asserting it is irrelevant and others questioning this stance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the role of the electromagnet's field in the torque formula.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the electromagnet's own magnetic field and its interaction with the external field, nor have they clarified the conditions under which these fields might affect torque.

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Lets say you have an electromagnet which produces some magnetic field when current is passed through it . Now there is some magnetic field in its surrounding then it is expected to exert some torque according to the formula torque=magnetic moment*magnetic field .Now my question is :
will the magnetic field used in this formula be just of the surrounding or the net vector addition of surrounding magnetic field and its own magnetic field ?
 
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Would it matter if the polarity of the 2 fields were in opposition?
 
Just the external field.
 
marcusl said:
Just the external field.

Is the original magnetic field ignored entirely?
If so then, what would be the effect of increasing or decreasing the current being passed through the original magnet?
 
The torque depends on the the external field, on the effective magnetic dipole moment of the electromagnet, and on their relative directions. If the magnet geometry is such that it has a moment, then increasing the current increases the moment.
 
For my own clarity, Torque is a measure of the twisting force being applied against the Electromagnetic field, from the external magnet, at the magnetic moment?

Better?

Edit: to replace pressure with twisting force
 
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Torque is not a pressure, it is a twisting force or moment.
 
Yes
 
marcusl said:
Yes
Thank you. :-)
 

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