Magnetic Force and Gravity in a Horizontal Wire Circuit

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The problem involves a straight wire situated horizontally on a scale, part of an electric circuit with a uniform magnetic field. The scenario describes the effects on the scale's reading when a current is introduced through the wire, requiring consideration of both magnetic and gravitational forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the right-hand rule to determine the direction of the magnetic force acting on the wire. There is confusion regarding the orientation of the magnetic field and its implications for the force direction.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning each other's understanding of the right-hand rule and the directions involved. Clarifications are being sought regarding the magnetic field's orientation and its effect on the wire's force.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion about the terminology used to describe the magnetic field's direction, with participants exploring the implications of this on the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A straight wire (length Lcm, mass mg) lies horizontally on top of a sensitive scale. The wire is oriented so it runs north-south, and it is part of an electric circuit that includes a battery and an open switch. There is a uniform magnetic field everywhere, magnitude bT and running east to west. Suddenly the switch is closed, and current IA runs through the wire from north to south. Find N, the reading of the scale, in Newtons, after the switch is thrown. As usual, use: g = 9.803 m/s^2.

Homework Equations


F=mg
dF=BIdL

The Attempt at a Solution


I feel a little confused about the question where it stated "magnitude b T and running east to west" this is the direction of B? So according to right-hand rule, since I is from North to South, the direction of Force due to magnetic field will go outward? So does it will affect the reading of the scale? I only need to consider gravity ?

thank you for the help.
 
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Try your right hand rule again. If the current is running N-S and B is pointing E-W, the force is perpendicular to both of those, so it is pointing in which direction??
 
phyzguy said:
Try your right hand rule again. If the current is running N-S and B is pointing E-W, the force is perpendicular to both of those, so it is pointing in which direction??

right hand: thumb points to south(down) forefinger points to west (left) and the middle finger is inward, so the force is inward?
 
phyvamp said:
right hand: thumb points to south(down) forefinger points to west (left) and the middle finger is inward, so the force is inward?

No. Think of it like a map laying on a table. N-S are one direction on the table, E-W are a perpendicular direction, but still in the plane of the table. So what direction is perpendicular to both of those?
 
phyzguy said:
No. Think of it like a map laying on a table. N-S are one direction on the table, E-W are a perpendicular direction, but still in the plane of the table. So what direction is perpendicular to both of those?
right?
thank you for the explanation, this is exactly what I feel confused. In the question, it stated "magnitude bT and running east to west" I thought the direction of B is from E-W, in other words, it points to the right, but actually it is not. It is either inward or outward, right?
 
I still don't think you're getting it. Again, thinking of the map on the table, if the current is running N-S, and B is running E-W (i.e left to right), the cross product of these is downward, toward the floor. I don't know what you mean by 'inward' and 'outward' in this context.
 

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