Magnetic Force on Moving Parallel Plate Capacitor

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The discussion revolves around a parallel plate capacitor moving through a magnetic field, with participants exploring the magnetic force exerted on the capacitor's plates. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism, specifically the interaction between electric and magnetic fields.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between electric field, charge, and magnetic force. The original poster attempts to find the charge on the capacitor plates using the electric field and area, while others suggest using Gauss's Law to clarify the electric field's behavior within the capacitor.

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Some participants have provided guidance on applying Gauss's Law to derive the electric field within the capacitor. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations related to charge and force, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the steps taken and seeking further clarification.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available or the methods they can use. There is a noted confusion regarding the application of formulas and the interpretation of electric field contributions from both plates of the capacitor.

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Homework Statement


The drawing shows a parallel plate capacitor that is moving with a speed of 31 m/s through a 4.0 T magnetic field. The velocity v is perpendicular to the magnetic field. The electric field within the capacitor has a value of 170 N/C and each plate has an area of 7.5 multiplied by 10 x 10^-4 m^2. What is the magnetic force (magnitude and direction) exerted on the positive plate of the capacitor?

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Homework Equations


F = Bqvsin(theta) --- sin() isn't important in this case because it's perpendicular

Then there's also E = F/q and C = KEoA/d, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to use it in this case.

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I've established that I'm going to need to find the charge somehow from the electric field and the area of the plates, since all the other info for F = Bvq is given. I'm at a loss to figure out how to get the charge though... thanks in advance for any help/advice.
 

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You're completely correct. As it turns out, if you draw a Guassian cylinder or cube that extends halfway into one of the (conducting) capacitor plates and apply Gauss's Law, you'll find that the electric field from one plate is always \sigma/2\epsilon_0, where \sigma is the charge density of the plate (charge over area). If you add to this value the field from the other plate, you'll find that inside a parallel plate capacitor, the electric field always has a value of \sigma/\epsilon_0. So given your value for the electric field and the areas of the plates, you can now calculate the charge on the positive plate.
 
Thanks for your help, swuster. I'm still having a bit of trouble though.

I've done the following now:

E = (q/A)/2Eo
170 = (q/7.5e-4)/(2 * 8.85e-12)
q = 2.25e-12 C

Then I substitute in and solve for F:
F = qvB = (2.25e-12)(31)(4) = 2.79e-10 N, which is wrong, unfortunately.

I feel like I missed a step when following your instructions, and I didn't quite follow this bit:
If you add to this value the field from the other plate, you'll find that inside a parallel plate capacitor, the electric field always has a value of LaTeX Code: \\sigma/\\epsilon_0 .
Thanks again for the help, I appreciate it greatly! :)
 
jason.maran said:
E = (q/A)/2Eo

Should be:

E = (q/A)/Eo

^_^
 
Ah, OK, thanks a bunch! Worked like a charm after that!
 
Yep - between the capacitor plates, the electric field adds!
 

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