Magnetic induction/ goal ref technology

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the technology behind "goal ref technology," specifically its principles of magnetic induction and how it operates in the context of sports, particularly soccer. Participants explore the mechanics of the technology, comparisons to RFID systems, and the implications of using low-frequency magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Franz inquires about the basic functioning of goal ref technology, comparing it to RFID tags and suggesting that the coils in the ball are part of a passive circuit that does not require power or electronics.
  • Franz proposes that the electronics in the goalposts detect changes in the magnetic field caused by the ball's coils, generating an induced emf and current as per Faraday's law.
  • Franz questions the meaning of "low frequency" in the context of the magnetic field and seeks clarification on its frequency range compared to RFID technology.
  • Franz speculates on the necessity of a varying magnetic field, suggesting it may be beneficial for detecting the ball at low speeds or when it is stationary inside the goal.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the priority given to understanding and explaining the technology by FIFA.
  • Franz expresses a desire for more detailed information on the need for low-frequency magnetic fields, questioning whether a static magnetic field could suffice.
  • Franz references additional resources and research related to magnetic positioning and the differences between active and passive circuits in sports technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the technical details of goal ref technology, particularly regarding the necessity and implications of low-frequency magnetic fields versus static fields. Participants present various hypotheses and questions without reaching definitive conclusions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the technology and the limitations of available resources, indicating that some assumptions about the technology's operation remain unverified. There is also mention of the potential differences between active and passive circuits in similar applications.

FranzDiCoccio
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Hi,

I am interested in the basics of "goal ref technology", but I was not able to find a lot of material. Just one very brief wikipedia page and some paragraphs at the http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/ff/kom/proj/goalref.html#.

Does this work a bit like the anti shoplifting RFID tags?

As far as I understand, the coils in the ball are connected to a passive circuit. This should mean that the ball does not need power or electronics, right? Makes sense.

Then I think the electronics attached to the pickup coils in the goalposts looks for perturbations of the magnetic field originally created in the goal area. These perturbations come from the coils in the ball: when the ball crosses the goal line its coils pick up the "original" magnetic field, whose flux changes (both because the magnetic field itself is varying, and because the ball is likely to move quickly). By Faraday law this generates an induced emf and current, which in turn generates an induced magnetic field, adding to the original one.

I read that the "original" magnetic field is "low frequency".
What does that mean, exactly? How many Hz, approximately? How does that compare with that of RFID technology?

What is the need of having a varying magnetic field, anyway?

My guess is that it is useful when the ball crosses the line at very low speed, or when it is inside the goal, not moving.

Thanks a lot for any insight.

Franz
 
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I guess understanding and explaining technology isn't one of their top priorities.
 
Thanks,
I did find this video, but it does not explain much, as the "webpage" at Fraunhofer Institute. I understand the fact that it is a patented technology, but I'd just like to understand the basics of it.

I wanted some more detail, such as: what is the need of low frequency magnetic fields?
I think that in principle one could use a static magneticic field. The flux through the coils in the ball would change anyway, due to the speed and rotation of the ball.
Is this just a second-order improvement, or is it essential?
 
FranzDiCoccio said:
I did find this video, but it does not explain much, as the "webpage" at Fraunhofer Institute. I understand the fact that it is a patented technology, but I'd just like to understand the basics of it.

After poking around I found some stuff.

Complex Image Theory
http://www.disneyresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/RWS_2012_Arumugam.pdf

This is for football ( American style )
One loop for the football, with a battery, so an active circuit.
The soccer ball has three loops it looks like, probably because it can spin in any orientation.
Is Goal Ref a passive circuit in the ball?

https://www.disneyresearch.com/project/magnetoquasistatic-position-and-orientation-tracking-2/
http://www.engr.ncsu.edu/magazine/fall-winter2014/field.php
http://www.sciencealert.com/news/20140907-25847.html

This isn't actually Goal ref, but it might help you, as it did me, with some insight into low frequency magnetic positioning.
 
256bits,

thank you very much for your help! This is very interesting!
Also, apologies for the late reply. In the last couple of weeks I was very busy with something else, and I did not check PF.
Thanks again!
Franz
 

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