Magnetic monopole induces current in perfect conducting ring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the current induced in a perfect conducting loop by a magnetic monopole. Participants explore the implications of Faraday's law in the context of magnetic monopoles and the behavior of electric fields in perfect conductors.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply modified Faraday's law to relate the induced current to the motion of a magnetic monopole. Some participants question the validity of the equations used, particularly regarding the electric field inside the conductor and the assumptions made about the behavior of the fields. Others suggest alternative approaches to find the electric field at the locus of the loop and the induced electromotive force (EMF).

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There is an ongoing exploration of various interpretations of the problem, with some participants providing corrections and clarifications regarding the equations and concepts involved. While some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution at this stage.

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Participants are navigating complex concepts related to magnetic monopoles, electric fields in perfect conductors, and the implications of inductance. There are indications of confusion regarding terminology and the physical meanings of certain variables, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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I am trying to calculate the current induced in a loop assuming a magnetic monopole exists. The loop is a perfect conductor, which I understand implies the electric field inside must be zero. I picture the problem with the magnetic monopole traveling with a velocity coaxial with the loop. I am given the loop has a self inductance L, so what I've done is take Faraday's law (modified for the existence of a mag. monopole), and the current density I'm associating as follows
\vec{\nabla} \wedge \vec{E} =0= -\left\{ \mu_{0} \vec{j}_{m}+\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} \right\}
Yielding
\mu_{0} \vec{j}_{m} = -\frac{\partial \vec{B} }{\partial t}
Now relating to the induced emf I have
-L\frac{dI}{dt} = -\dot{\phi}_{m} = \int -\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} \cdot d\vec{a}
From which I make the identification
\vec{j}_{m} = \rho_{m} \vec{v}
Which gives assuming a planar area loop with the direction of the velocity being parallel to the loop is given by
-L \frac{dI}{dt} = \mu_{0} \rho_{m} A_{loop} v<br /> \Rightarrow -L\frac{dI}{dt} =\mu_{0} \rho_{m} A_{loop} \frac{dz}{dt}
which is where I am stuck. I think I want to integrate over a long time, including the point and past the point the magnetic monopole passes through the loop. My question(s) is does everything I have done so far make sense, and if so where do I go from here?
 
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Your equations are wrong. E is not zero in the metal, because there isinductance. Forget about the fields inside the metal of the loop. "Perfect conductor" in this context just means that there will be no IR in your eventual circuit equation. You can find E at the locus of the loop just as you would find B from a moving electric charge.
Then EMF =2\pi R E, and will be time dependent. Then use EMF=L di/dt.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Your equations are wrong. E is not zero in the metal, because there isinductance. ... You can find E at the locus of the loop just as you would find B from a moving electric charge.
Then EMF =2\pi R E, and will be time dependent. Then use EMF=L di/dt.

Thanks for pointing that out, this problem is throwing me around. Ok so I have
\vec{\nabla} \wedge \vec{E} = -\mu_{0} \vec{j} -\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} <br /> \Rightarrow \oint \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{\ell} = -\int \left(\mu_{0} \vec{j} +\frac{\partial \vec{B} }{\partial t} \right) \cdot d\vec{a}
where I've applied Stoke's theorem to the LHS of first equation. So far so good right? Now what I want to do is
2\pi a E = -\mu_{0} \rho_{m} \pi a^{2} v+ \int -\frac{\partial \vec{B} } {\partial t} \cdot d\vec{a}
where a is the radius of the loop, and v is the velocity of the monopole. Now make the identification
\int -\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} \cdot d\vec{a} =- \dot{\phi}_{m} =\varepsilon = -L \dot{I}
substitute back
2 \pi a E + \mu_{0} \rho_{m} \pi a^{2} v=-L \dot{I}
am I on the right path or did I miss step again.
 
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Your E is wrong.
I meant to find E=-gvXr/r^3 at the locus of the ring,
and there is no need for the surface integral.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Your E is wrong.
I meant to find E=-gvXr/r^3 at the locus of the ring,
and there is no need for the surface integral.
I am sorry, you lost me here. Could you explain a little more please? What is 'Xr'? and certainly 'g' isn't gravity right? I think I might need a little hand holding for this part.
 
xman said:
I am sorry, you lost me here. Could you explain a little more please? What is 'Xr'? and certainly 'g' isn't gravity right? I think I might need a little hand holding for this part.
Sorry to be slow. I've been away

"I meant to find E=-gvXr/r^3 at the locus of the ring,
and there is no need for the surface integral."
In the equation:
E is the electric field.
g is the strength of the monopole charge (Like q for electric charge.)
X is the vector cross product symbol.
r is the vectpr disstance from the monopole to the ring.
r^3 is the cube of r.
The equation is the same thing you would have for -B at the ring due to an electric charge.
 
I have a solution without finding the electric field, here's what I did
\vec{\nabla} \wedge \vec{E} = -\mu_{0}\vec{j}-\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}

converting to integral form the with Stoke's theorem

\int_{wire} \vec{E}\cdot d\vec{\ell}=-\mu_{0} \int_{S} \vec{j}\cdot d\vec{a}-\int_{S}\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}\cdot d\vec{a}


Since perfect conductor then
\vec{E} = 0
inside the loop and the line integral around the wire is zero. Now make the identification
-\mu_{0}\int_{S} \vec{j}\cdot d\vec{a} =-\mu_{0}I_{m}
the second term of course is the induced flux, so if we integrate both sides wrt time we have
0=-\mu_{0}g-\Delta \phi_{m}\Rightarrow \Delta \phi_{m} = L\,\Delta I\Rightarrow I=\frac{\mu_{0}g}{L}

I think this works any ideas
 
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