Magnetic Polarization in Earth's Magnetic Field - Kazakhstan

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of magnetic polarization of steel or iron objects in Earth's magnetic field, specifically in Kazakhstan. Participants explore the behavior of these objects when subjected to the Earth's magnetic field and whether the observed polarization differs between hemispheres.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that steel or iron objects seem to magnetically polarize with the north pole pointing upwards in Kazakhstan, questioning if this is a coincidence and how it might differ in the southern hemisphere.
  • Another participant explains that when magnetized in the Earth's magnetic field, the north pole of an object points towards Earth's North magnetic pole, which is a south magnetic pole in magnetic terms, suggesting that the north pole should actually point downwards.
  • A third participant notes that the Earth's magnetic field points down in the northern hemisphere and up in the southern hemisphere, indicating that the vertical component of magnetization would be opposite in each hemisphere.
  • The original poster reports conducting experiments with various metal objects and compasses, observing that the north-seeking poles of the compasses are attracted to the tops of the objects, which raises questions about the nature of the magnetization.
  • Another participant clarifies that the metal objects are not permanently magnetized but exhibit induced magnetism due to the Earth's magnetic field, explaining that the top of the object behaves like a south pole, attracting the north pole of the compass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the observed magnetic behavior, with some agreeing on the principles of induced magnetism while others question the initial observations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the findings and whether the behavior differs between hemispheres.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of the magnetic behavior, particularly regarding the assumptions about the permanence of magnetization and the specific conditions under which the observations were made.

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I noticed that steel or iron objects tend to magnetically polarize in the Earth's magnetic field. I am in Kazakhstan (northern hemisphere! :-) The north pole of the magnetized objects seem to be at the top of the objects. Is this a coincidence? If not what is the explanation? Would it be different in the southern hemisphere?
 
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If you magnetize an object in the Earth's magnetic field, the north pole of that object will point towards Earth's North magnetic pole (which in turn, magnetically speaking is therefore a south magnetic pole). More precisely, it will be magnetized parallel to the lines of the Earth's magnetic field. These usually are not parallel to the surface of earth, but point slightly downwards (to compensate for it, compass needles have a little weight on one side). The north pole of such object should therefore point downwards.
Maybe you turned your object upside down =).
 
The B field of the Earth points down in the northern hemisphere and up in the southern hemisphere so the vertical component of the magnetization would be opposite.
I agree with mp that you seem to have something backwards.
 
Hi thank you for your replies.

I have repeated the experiment with numerous compasses on a variety of objects (fire extinguishers, refrigerators, microwaves, radiators...) The metal objects were static and had not been rotated. To be sure that it was not just the Earth's magnetic field the compass was moved around the objects. In every case the north seeking pole of the compasses were attracted to the top of the metal objects and the south seeking poles attracted to the bottom.
 
I did not understand your first post. The metal objects are not permanently magnetized, but have induced magnetism caused by the Earth's magnetic field. Since this is directed downward in your northern latitude, the top of the metal object behaves like an S pole.
It thus attracts the N pole of the magnet. All is well.
 
Thank you. It's good to know the laws of physics are working properly in Kazakhstan :smile:
 

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