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The discussion revolves around the operation of a mass spectrometer, specifically focusing on the role of a velocity selector and the effects of magnetic and electric fields on ionized particles. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of potential difference in a velocity selector and the identification of charge polarity for the plates in the setup.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the required potential difference for the velocity selector and expresses confusion about the equations used. Some participants question the formula provided and seek clarification on the definitions and roles of the variables involved, particularly regarding the potential difference and the forces acting on the ions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one providing a diagram link to aid understanding. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the equations and concepts, and guidance is being offered to clarify the relationships between the forces and the setup of the mass spectrometer.

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The discussion includes uncertainties about the diagram's visibility and the direction of the magnetic field, which are crucial for determining the charge polarity of the plates in the velocity selector.

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When the ionized particles entering a mass spectrometer are simply accelerated across the potential difference between two charged plates, there is always the chance of an uncontrolled variation in their velocities due to their random thermal motion before they undergo linear acceleration. An elaboration of the basic mass spectrometer design better controls the incoming velocity of the ions by passing them through a velocity selector before they enter the magnetic deflection chamber. Suppose that the same uniform magnetic field, having a strength 0.750 T, is used in both the velocity selector and the deflection chamber. In this chamber, singly ionized argon ions with a mass of 6.63×10−26 kg are to be deflected through semi-circular arcs of radius 12.0 cm. (a) If the oppositely charged plates of the velocity selector are separated by 2.00 cm, what is the required potential difference between them? (b) If you were to add a velocity selector to the diagram of the mass spectrometer, as shown in the illustration, which plate would be positively charged with respect to the other?

Homework Equations



B=.75
m=6.63e-26
r=.12m
d=.02m
q=1.6e-19 ? not sure on this

m=(qr^2B^2)/(2*deltaV)


deltaV= (gr^2B^2)/(2m)

for velocity selectors v=E/B
E=deltaV/deltax


The Attempt at a Solution



deltaV = 9773.76

I'm not sure if I'm using the right equations or if I have done the right thing so far. I would rearrange the equations to get v=deltaV/(deltax * B), but I that doesn't really get me anywhere since I'm solving for deltaV of the velocity selector and not the chamber. I'm confused on this one. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Can you show a picture of the set-up and trajectory of the ions?

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The argon ions are singly ionized. They miss 1 electron. The charge is therefore 1.6 E-19 C.

I do not understand the formula you used: m=(qr^2B^2)/(2*deltaV)

What is deltaV?

In the chamber, the ion travels along a semicircle of radius R=12 cm with speed v. The centripetal force is equal to the magnetic force: mv^2/R = qvB. You know all data, find the speed v.

The velocity selector let's go a particle across without deflection if the electric and magnetic forces cancel. qE=qvB, that is E=vB. You know v, get the electric field, and the potential difference from that.

The electric force points from the positive plate to the negative one. You have to decide which plate is + and - so as the magnetic force is opposite to the electric force. For that you need to know the direction of the magnetic field (I can not see on the diagram, but you certainly do).

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