Magnetized Toroid Problem 6.10 - Griffiths EM

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Griffiths' Electromagnetism textbook concerning a magnetized toroid. The problem involves an iron rod that is magnetized and bent into a circular shape with a gap, and participants are tasked with finding the magnetic field at the center of this gap.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the magnetization (M) and the total current (I) in the context of the magnetic field calculations. There are attempts to apply the formula for the magnetic field inside a toroid and to interpret the hint provided in the problem statement. Questions arise regarding the dependence of the magnetic field on the length of the rod (L) and the implications of the gap width (w) on the field strength.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of bound surface current and its relation to the total current in the toroid. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the dimensions involved.

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Participants are navigating constraints such as the assumption that the gap width (w) is much smaller than the side length (a) and the length (L) of the rod. There are also concerns about the physical plausibility of negative magnetic field values derived from the calculations.

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Hello,

I needed some help with a problem from the Griffiths Book on EM. It's problem number 6.10 if anyone has the book. Here is the problem and I have attached a crude drawing using MSPaint.

An iron rod of length L and square cross section (side a), is given a uniform longitudinal magnetization M, and then bent around into a circle with a narrow gap (width w). Find the magnetic field at the center of the gap, assuming w << a << L. [Hint: treat it as the superposition of a complete torus plus a square loop with reversed current.]

The field inside a toroid is: [tex]B= \frac{\mu_0 NI}{2\pi s}[/tex]. The hint would lead me to believe that I can take NI -> M. The field at the center of the gap due to a loop of current in the opposite direction would be:[tex]B=-\frac{2\sqrt{2}\mu_0 I}{\pi a}[/tex].

This means the answer would be:
[tex]B=\frac{\mu_0 NI}{L} - \frac{2\sqrt{2}\mu_0 I}{\pi a}[/tex].

However I don't see how to resolve the current(I) in this problem. Is there a way to relate M and I or am I going about this problem in the completely wrong direction.
 

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The field inside a toroid is: [tex]B= \frac{\mu_0 NI}{2\pi s}[/tex]. The hint would lead me to believe that I can take NI -> M.
Not quite. NI would be the TOTAL current in the toroid. You've probably figured out the bound surface current is [itex]K_b=M[/itex]. So knowing you have this bound surface currentm you can solve for the total current and equate that NI.
 
Ok it seems then that the field should be

[tex]B = \frac{\mu_0 M}{L} - \frac{2\sqrt{2}\mu_0 Mw}{\pi a}[/tex]

or

[tex] B = \mu_0 M \left[ \frac{1}{L} - \frac{2\sqrt{2}w}{\pi a} \right][/tex]

However since L >> a and [tex]2\sqrt{2}w >> 1[/tex] the field would be negative. But that seems proposterous considering that w is just a minute width compared to the whole of the toroid.
 
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That ain't right. How'd you get the L? The field shouldn't depend on L. (It also doesn't add up unit wise).

For the whole loop the total current is [itex]K_b(2\pi s)[/itex] so [itex]B=\mu_0M[/itex].
The rest is all ok.
 

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