Magnetoresistance and Fermi surfaces

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Fermi surfaces and magnetoresistance, particularly focusing on the concepts of open and closed Fermi surfaces and the phenomenon of magnetoresistance saturation. Participants express confusion regarding the theoretical underpinnings and seek clarification on these topics.

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  • Some participants express a lack of understanding of Fermi surfaces and their relation to magnetoresistance, particularly regarding saturation effects.
  • One participant notes that existing literature does not provide satisfactory proof of magnetoresistance saturation in directions with closed Fermi surfaces.
  • Another participant suggests reviewing specific chapters from a textbook and mentions that while some texts provide insights, they do not fully resolve the issues related to magnetoresistance saturation.
  • Participants discuss the implications of high and low field limits on current density and resistivity, with some expressing confusion over the derived formulas and their consistency.
  • There is a proposal regarding the cyclotron frequency for open Fermi surfaces, suggesting that it may be zero due to the nature of electron motion in such surfaces.
  • Concerns are raised about the derivation of conductivity and resistivity in the context of open versus closed Fermi surfaces, particularly regarding the assumptions made in the derivations.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the lack of clarity in the literature and the inconsistencies observed in the equations presented.
  • Another participant points out that the equality of certain conductivity components relies on assumptions that may not hold for open Fermi surfaces.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between Fermi surfaces and magnetoresistance, with multiple competing views and unresolved questions remaining throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight limitations in existing literature, including missing assumptions and the dependence on definitions related to Fermi surfaces and magnetoresistance. There are unresolved mathematical steps and inconsistencies in the derivations discussed.

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There seems to be relation between Fermi surfaces and magnetoresistance, but I guess because I don't have a clear picture of fermi surfaces,I have problem understanding this relationship.
Also I have heard about open and close fermi surfaces and saturation of magnetoresistance which I can't find enough explanation about.
I will appreciate any clarification.
Thanks
 
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I've been searching different books and sites on the subject but non of them give a satisfactory proof of the saturation of magnetoresistance in the directions that the fermi surface are closed.Can someone explain?
Thanks
 
Try to explain me how you think this all works and you get my comments for free!
 
DrDu said:
Try to explain me how you think this all works and you get my comments for free!

Well,The point is,I don't know how it works!
I can only suggest you to take a look at chapters 11 and 12 of:http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/BandMT1112_CompleteSet.pdf

It helps you into the subject.
There is also chapter 12 of solid state physics by Ashcroft and Mermin.
You can find explanations about the subject in other books and websites too,but non that I found had a full and satisfactory proof of magnetoresistance saturation in the directions that the Fermi surface is closed.
Also,these texts tell you what I know about it and how I think.
 
Have a look at:

arXiv:0907.2021v1 [cond-mat.mes-hall]

They discuss the high and low field limit.
 
DrDu said:
Have a look at:

arXiv:0907.2021v1 [cond-mat.mes-hall]

They discuss the high and low field limit.

Thanks for introducing the paper,it seems so useful...But it still doesn't give me the thing I want.
In the high field limit,it gives the current density by the following formula:
[itex] \vec{J}=-e \frac{\vec{E}\times\vec{B}}{B^2}n[/itex]
To make things simple,let's have [itex]\vec{E}\cdot\vec{B}=0[/itex],So we will have [itex]J=-\frac{ne}{B}E \Rightarrow |\sigma|=\frac{ne}{B} \Rightarrow |\rho|=\frac{B}{ne}[/itex] which is proportional to B and so doesn't approach a constant as [itex]B\rightarrow \infty[/itex]
I have the same problem with the argument presented in Ashcroft and mermin.

But in http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/BandMT1112_CompleteSet.pdf ,there is another problem.
First,in section 11.3.1,the conductivity tensor is derived and then inverted to give the resistivity tensor.It turns out that [itex]\rho_{xx}=\rho_{yy}=\rho_0[/itex] and [itex]\rho_{yx}=-\rho_{xy}=-\frac{B}{ne}[/itex].
Then in section 11.3.3,[itex]\rho_{xx}[/itex] is said to tend to a constant as [itex]B \rightarrow \infty[/itex]!

Also,[itex]\sigma_{xx}=\sigma_{yy}=\frac{\sigma_0}{1+\omega_c^2 \tau^2} (\omega_c=\frac{eB}{m})[/itex] is derived in section 11.3.1 regardless of the shape of the fermi surface.But in section 11.3.3 it is argued that it behaves differently for closed and open fermi surfaces.
If only the inconsistencies are cured and the explanations are clarified a little,then this last paper may help.
 
Well, I suppose, the question of million is what is the form of the cyclotron frequency in the case of an open fermi surface?
For an open surface, the electron will not perform a cyclic motion at all but will be driven along a, maybe wiggly line. Hence the frequency must be 0.
I suppose this is formally due to the effective mass - when averaged over the orbit - being infinite.
 
DrDu said:
Well, I suppose, the question of million is what is the form of the cyclotron frequency in the case of an open fermi surface?
For an open surface, the electron will not perform a cyclic motion at all but will be driven along a, maybe wiggly line. Hence the frequency must be 0.
I suppose this is formally due to the effective mass - when averaged over the orbit - being infinite.

That's reasonable but if you take a look at the derivation of equation 11.30,it is said that [itex]\sigma_{yy}=C[/itex] and [itex]\sigma_{xx}=AB^{-2}[/itex] where A and C are constants.If frequency was zero,both would be constant because they're equal!In fact the expression for them has no parameter which isn't in common between them so I can't understand how one is a constant in the limit and the other is not!

And in the first paragraph of section 11.3.3,it is said that [itex]\sigma_{yy}[/itex] and [itex]\sigma_{xx}[/itex] both vary as [itex]B^{-2}[/itex].This is OK but if we use previous formulas,then we're not talking only about closed orbits.So the derivation of such a behavior should use something else which in that part of the text,seems to be the zero average of the velocity in the plane perpendicular to B and equations 11.27 and 11.28 in the high magnetic field limit.But that just suggests that they should vary as [itex]B^{-n}(n>0)[/itex] and there should be another way for determining n.

To be honest,I lost my hope on this paper!
 
I am not sure either. However the equality of sigma_xx and sigma_yy is derived in 11.1 under the explicit assumption of an isotropic and energy independent effective mass.
I think it is this assumption which breaks down when you have an open FS.
 

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