Simple (?) question regarding the Fermi Surface

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the Fermi surface when an electric field is applied, particularly focusing on the direction of movement of the Fermi surface and the occupancy of states. Participants explore the implications of this shift in relation to temperature and the representation in diagrams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Fermi surface moves in the direction of the electric field and seeks clarification on the occupancy of the old and new surfaces.
  • Another participant states that the old Fermi surface remains partially occupied and explains that the entire sphere shifts towards the positive side when an electric field is applied.
  • It is noted that to achieve a fully occupied Fermi surface, a temperature of zero is required, but the occupation of the old and new surfaces will remain the same.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding which surface is represented in a diagram, with one participant identifying the old surface as the filled sphere centered at zero and the new surface as the shifted one.
  • Participants discuss the movement of electrons with the Fermi surface, with some suggesting that at absolute zero, all electrons would occupy the new Fermi surface.
  • Another participant adds that states below the new Fermi surface may also be occupied.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the movement of the Fermi surface and the occupancy of states, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specifics of the diagram and the conditions under which the surfaces are fully occupied. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of the precise implications of the electric field on the Fermi surface.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about temperature and the definitions of the old and new Fermi surfaces, as well as the representation in diagrams that may not clearly convey these shifts.

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We all see diagrams of the Fermi surface, the representation of the occupied states, but I can't seem to find a precise diagram of when an electric field is applied. Most diagrams show that the surface has moved, BUT they do not say in which direction relative to the electric field, and when they do they seem vague about which surface was the old, and which is the new, and which one is occupied.

This one does, but it's unclear which is the original fermi surface and which is the new one:

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"When an electrical field is applied, the Fermi surface shifts in the direction of the field either in the positive or negative direction."

Ok, so if it has moved in the direction of the field, then the old fermi surface is still occupied. Or if it moved in the other direction then why is the new fermi surface in the centre of the axis?

So my questions:

1) Does the fermi surface move in the direction of the electric field?
2) Does the old fermi surface remain fully occupied, or does it take the electrons with it when it moves i.e. the new fermi surface is fully occupied?

thanks if anyone could clear this up a little for me.
 
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rwooduk said:
Ok, so if it has moved in the direction of the field, then the old fermi surface is still occupied.
Only partially. Without field the sphere is centered at zero. With field, the whole sphere shifts in such a way that the electrons on average flow towards the positive side.

To get a fully occupied surface you need a temperature of zero. But the occupation of the old surface and the new surface will be the same.
 
mfb said:
Only partially. Without field the sphere is centered at zero. With field, the whole sphere shifts in such a way that the electrons on average flow towards the positive side.

To get a fully occupied surface you need a temperature of zero. But the occupation of the old surface and the new surface will be the same.

hmm, I'm having trouble relating that to the diagram above. which is the new and old fermi surface in the diagram?

thanks for the reply
 
Old is the filled sphere, centered at zero. The new one is shifted (and the electrons will shift in the same way, not shown in the diagram).
 
mfb said:
Old is the filled sphere, centered at zero. The new one is shifted (and the electrons will shift in the same way, not shown in the diagram).

Thanks, so the electrons will move with the Fermi surface, i.e. the new fermi surface will be fully occupied?
 
See above:
mfb said:
To get a fully occupied surface you need a temperature of zero. But the occupation of the old surface and the new surface will be the same.
 
mfb said:
See above:

So assuming 0K all the electrons will occupy the new fermi surface, is that right?

thanks
 
Or states below that, sure.
 
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