Magnetostatic field calculations

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field generated by a current flowing through a composite loop of wire, which consists of a semicircular section and a triangular section. Participants are exploring various approaches to determine the magnetic field at the axis of the loop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the applicability of Gauss' law, Ampere's law, and the Biot-Savart law for this problem. There are questions about the symmetry of the loop and whether it allows for simplifications in calculations. Some participants suggest using known results for simpler geometries as potential shortcuts.

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Some participants have attempted solutions and are seeking feedback on their calculations. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the application of formulas and the need for clarification on certain steps. The conversation indicates a collaborative effort to refine understanding and approach.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the use of certain resources or methods. There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the problem and the specific geometry involved.

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Homework Statement


Current, I, flows around symmetrical loop of thin wire.
The loop comprises 2 halves (semicircle & triangle). Distance from vertex of triangle equals radius, a, of the semicircle.
Find the mag' field at axis of loop (where axes coss)


Homework Equations


Could I use Gauss' law ∫s E.dS= 1/εov ρ(r) dv
Amperes law ∫c B . dl
Or is this just as easy to do wit Biot-Savart Law δB(r) = . . . . . . . . .

I have a good feeling that I can use symmetry to simplify this without getting too bogged down in maths.

Which of these are the ones I could use most?


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Gauss' law involves electric field rather than magnetic field. So, punt on that one.

I'm having some difficulty visualizing the loop. But, it appears to me that there is not enough symmetry to use Ampere's law. Ampere's law is useful if you can construct an imaginary closed path that:
(1) passes through the point where you are trying to find the field
(2) B\cdotdl has a simple form for the path.
I don't think you can find a path that meets both these criteria.

So, you're left with Biot-Savart. However, if you've already covered the field of a complete circular loop of wire, then you can use that as a shortcut to get the field from the semicircular part of your loop. Also, if you've already covered the field of a finite, straight section of current, then you can use that result along with superposition to get the field from the straight sides of the triangle.
 
Hmmm! Have tried the problem & have a solution if someone would review it.

Thank you

Split composite loop into 2 parts (one semicicular one of 2 sides of a square)

For semicircle:
B = (μ0*I)/(4*∏*R2) ∫ dL where R = a
= (μ0*I)/(4*∏*R2) 2*∏*R2
= (μ0*I)/(2*R)


For 2 side of a square:
B = (2*μ0*I)/(4*∏*r) (sinθ1 - sinθ2) where r = 0.707*a & θ1=-θ2=/4
= (2*μ0*I)/(4*∏*r) (sin(∏/4) - sin(∏/4))
= (2*μ0*I)/(4*∏*r) (√2/2 + √2/2)
= √2 ((μ0*I)/(4*∏*0.707a))


so Btotal = (μ0*I)/(2*R) + √2 ((μ0*I)/(4*∏*0.707a))

I feel that there's something I haven't done, or missed something or . . . . . . .
 
Roodles01 said:
Hmmm! Have tried the problem & have a solution if someone would review it.

Thank you

Split composite loop into 2 parts (one semicicular one of 2 sides of a square)

For semicircle:
B = (μ0*I)/(4*∏*R2) ∫ dL where R = a
= (μ0*I)/(4*∏*R2) 2*∏*R2

I believe the square on the R at the very end is just a typo. But ∫ dL should be the arc length of the semicircle, not a full circle.

For 2 side of a square:
B = (2*μ0*I)/(4*∏*r) (sinθ1 - sinθ2) where r = 0.707*a & θ1=-θ2=/4
= (2*μ0*I)/(4*∏*r) (sin(∏/4) - sin(∏/4))
= (2*μ0*I)/(4*∏*r) (√2/2 + √2/2)
= √2 ((μ0*I)/(4*∏*0.707a))

Look's good except I think you dropped a factor of 2 in going from the next-to-last to the last equation. Also, it will simplify nicely if you write the factor of .707 in the denominator as √2/2.
 
Thanks for the read through &comment.
 
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