Magnets strength/repel, total movement?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the movement of two magnets that repel each other, focusing on how their differing strengths affect their displacement when subjected to the same conditions. Participants explore the implications of Newton's laws of motion in this context, considering scenarios involving constraints on movement and force equilibrium.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if two magnets of equal mass and friction repel each other, they will both move the same distance.
  • Another participant references Newton's third law to support the idea that both magnets experience equal and opposite forces.
  • A later reply questions the initial assumption, proposing that if one magnet is stronger, it may displace more than the other, despite having the same mass and friction.
  • Participants discuss a hypothetical scenario involving a person (Superman) throwing a rock attached to a chain, raising questions about the forces involved and the resulting movement.
  • One participant asserts that when the chain tightens, both the rock and Superman will stop, indicating a misunderstanding of the forces at play.
  • Another participant acknowledges the confusion regarding the application of Newton's laws in these scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the strength of the magnets affects their movement, with some asserting equal displacement and others suggesting that a stronger magnet would lead to unequal displacement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of force equilibrium and movement constraints.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the system, particularly regarding the effects of constraints on movement and the application of Newton's laws in dynamic scenarios.

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Hey guys.

Not a homework question.

If two magnets have the same friction, same mass, etc. But have different strengths. and they are arranged so that they will repel each other, how will they move in relation to their starting points?

Will they both move 1/2 the distance of the combined force?
Will the weaker magnet move the distance of stronger - weaker force?

Thanks.
 
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Thanks,

that is what I thought.So... if two magnets are held in a position of repulsion by some device, and the device restricts movement in one direction but not in the other, would it move?
 
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Yes, that is how a motor works.
 
thematrixiam said:
Thanks,

that is what I thought.So... if two magnets are held in a position of repulsion by some device, and the device restricts movement in one direction but not in the other, would it move?
You mean like if two people stood face to face and pushed each other away, yet one was standing against a wall would the other one move? Yes.
 
Like that, but with a chain between the people.

two magnets connected together. Held at an initial position where they will repel each other. But limited in that they can only move in one direction.

So (wall) (magnet +++) string (+++ magnet)
 
It's a force equilibrium, both bodies receive the same force :)

Edit: I just drew the problem; actually, they don't. If one is stronger, then the other is experiencing a greater force. Wouldn't it therefore make more sense that one is displaced more than the other if they have the same mass and coeff. of friction?
 
That's what has me confused.

I think the main issue would be getting movement while being attached.

The equivalent scenario that I am looking for would be this. If something has a mass of x, and can theoretically throw part of it's body in a given direction, at a set force, to achieve momentum, how much force would be required to move mass x?

Say superman threw a massive rock on a chain and then just hung on to the chain, I would assume superman would move in the direction of the rock.
 
^ no that is incorrect. When the chain tightens up, both the rock and superman will stop.

You need to study basic physics and it will all be clear.
 
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meldraft said:
If one is stronger, then the other is experiencing a greater force.
This would be a violation of Newton's 3rd law which states that the force is equal and opposite.
 
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Yes, of course, I forgot the reaction Thanks!
 

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