Magnitude of directional and gradient vectors?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving directional and gradient vectors in the context of temperature change, specifically how to determine the direction in which the temperature decreases and the distance required to achieve a specific temperature drop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of directional vectors and the interpretation of temperature decrease. Questions arise regarding the meaning of "steps" and the clarity of the problem statement, with some participants suggesting that the original poster's interpretation may not align with standard mathematical definitions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants provide insights into the relationship between the gradient vector and the direction of temperature decrease, while others express confusion about the problem's wording and the concept of "steps." There is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem was created by a professor and may not follow conventional textbook formats. There is uncertainty regarding the definition of "steps" and the implications of moving in the direction of the gradient vector.

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If given only:
f(5,2) = 80
fx(5,2) = 8
fy(5,2) = -6
Suppose 80 is measured in degrees Fahrenheit. Find the direction where the temperature would get cooler.

I just did 8a - 6b = 0 (since using the dot product, <8,-6> * <a,b> = 0.
Then I solved for a, b, and this was the vector equation.

Then the question asked, How many steps would you take to get from 80 to 78 degrees?

I have no idea. Is it asking for the magnitude? :confused:
 
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Do us all a favor and copy the problem exactly as it is given. What you have written is non-sense. First there is no single direction in which "the temperature gets cooler" (That itself makes no sense- temperature is a number and numbers do not get "cooler" or "hotter". I assume you mean "temperature decreases" but what does the problem say?) There exist a range of directions in which the temperature decreases, another in which it gets cooler. It is true that the rate of change of function f, in the direction of unit vector [itex]\vec{v}[/itex], is [itex]\nabla v\cdot\vec{v}[/itex]. What you have calculated is a vector pointing in a direction such that the temperature does not change (the negative of this vector also gives such a direction). Those two vectors separate directions in which the temperature is increasing from the directions in which the temperature is decreasing.

As far as "How may steps would you take" is concerned, how long is a step??
 
That's exactly what the problem said. It wasn't a textbook question but created by the professor. I assume he meant direction in which the temperature decreases the fastest.

By steps he meant the shortest distance a person would travel in the direction where the temperature decreases from 80 to 78.
 
So I would interpret "steps" as unit lengths then. The direction in which the temperature reduces fastest is directly opposite to the gradient vector. And that gradient is, of course, 8i- 6j which has length [itex]\sqrt{64+36}= 10[/itex]. That is, as long as we stay on the vector -8i+ 6, the temperature, to a linear approximation, decreases by 10 degrees "per step". Notice that I said "linear approximation". From the given information, we cannot be certain what happens as soon as you start moving. Frankly, I don't like this problem.
 

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