Maintaining Charge Separation: The Role of EMF in Electrochemical Cells

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of electromotive force (emf) in electrochemical cells, particularly focusing on how emf maintains charge separation during operation. Participants explore the underlying chemical reactions, the movement of ions, and the implications for battery discharge over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how emf provides a "force" to maintain charge separation in a battery, referencing an analogy involving a belt and chemical reactions.
  • Another participant notes that the chemical reactions in the cell produce ions, which contribute to maintaining charge separation, but questions why the battery cannot sustain this indefinitely.
  • A later post suggests that the eventual depletion of reactants leads to battery discharge.
  • One participant discusses the movement of ions in a galvanic cell, questioning whether it is driven by an electric field or diffusion, and whether charge separation exists in the absence of a connecting wire.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity of chemistry, suggesting that all chemical processes relate back to electric fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the mechanisms of charge separation and the factors influencing battery discharge. No consensus is reached regarding the specifics of ion movement or the role of electric fields versus diffusion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of terms like "force" and "charge separation," and the discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of ions and the nature of chemical reactions in batteries.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrochemistry, battery technology, or related fields in physics and engineering.

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Hello,
I have a question concerning electrochemical cells or batteries. It is said that when the battery is at open circuit, it has small charge separation on its electrodes thus having a potential difference equal to the emf of the battery. When the battery is connected to a circuit, the emf of the battery maintain this charge separation so the same potential difference. My question is the emf of the battery, due to oxydation-reduction reaction, how does it maintain or how does it provides a "force" to maintain the charge separation. Here an analog study : http://www.wired.com/2015/02/battery-doesnt-store-charge-work/ where the belt is used as an analogy of the chemical reaction "force".

Thank you
 
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The cell produces ions in a chemical reaction and the material of the cathode and anode favorably attracts a particular charge. You can get more details online... different batteries have different chemistries.
 
Simon Bridge said:
The cell produces ions in a chemical reaction and the material of the cathode and anode favorably attracts a particular charge. You can get more details online... different batteries have different chemistries.
so a chemical reaction produces ions thus maintaining the charge separation. But why the battery cannot maintain for infinite time thus discharging?
 
Details depend... but eventually you run out of reactants.
 
I was reading about galvanic cell. On the anode side the zinc is losing electrons and on the cathode side the cupper is gaining electron. We put salt bridge, to maintain the neutrality of the solution i.e SO4 2- will move to anode side and Na+ to the cathode side. Does an electric field cause their movement? or it is a diffusion current of the ions? When there's no wire connecting anodes and cathodes, is there electrons on the anode side? Thus having charge separation and voltage?
 
If you look at the charges of the moving ions and the charges of the anode and cathode... see?
Though, all chemistry is down to electric fields... you can see how complicated chemistry gets.

Note: Cu is cuprum, commonly known as copper... a "cupper" is a strong brownian motion producer commonly used to help generate finite amounts of improbability.
 

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