Making a filter that remains the same when loaded

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In summary, the conversation discusses the need for a buffer stage to prevent poles from shifting when loading a filter made out of a BJT. It is also mentioned that the output buffer will depend on signal power, impedance, and load characteristics. However, using a simple emitter follower can result in non-linearity and a 180-degree phase shift. It is suggested to use an op-amp filter or a push-pull amplifier for better linearity and impedance matching. The conversation also mentions the challenges of filter design and the importance of considering real-world factors such as temperature drift and component reliability.
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Jeff Rosenbury said:
To put it another way, maximum gain is dependent on the ß of the transistor. But since each transistor has a different ß it is hard to know just what that maximum gain will be.
However, I must state - for the sake of accuracy - that two gain stages with different ß values and the same dc quiescent current Ic have the same signal gain.
This gain does NOT depend on ß but on the transconductance gm only (that is the slope of the Ic=f(Vbe) curve).
What differs is the signal input resistance at the base node only (smaller base current for higher ß values).
(It is a common misconception that higher current gain would give also higher voltage gain; perhaps, this false conclusion is caused by the - false - assumption that the BJT would be a current-controlled device).
 
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hopefully there's some other benefit in addition to it making the gain stage's gain being less dependent on the inherent beta value of each transistor, because hand selecting a couple of transistors so they have the same beta value is extremely doable for me.
 
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Ry122 said:
hopefully there's some other benefit in addition to it making the gain stage's gain being less dependent on the inherent beta value of each transistor, because hand selecting a couple of transistors so they have the same beta value is extremely doable for me.

Ry122 - in my post#25 I have listed all the benefits in case of ac feedback.
 
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only 1 of those is applicable though right, since all the others can be obtained by only having an Re for DC
 
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@ Ry122. What is the application for this amplifier ?
 
  • #76
microphone amplifier
 
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Ry122 said:
only 1 of those is applicable though right, since all the others can be obtained by only having an Re for DC
Sorry - but that`s not true. If Re is bypassed using a capacitor you only have one single effect: Stabilization of the dc opereating point.
All other benefits connected with ac feedback are lost.
 

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