Male-Female Strength/Wrestling Question

[nismaratwork]

DUDE! why the hostility? if you read my previous post i did admitted that women can be more fit/strong then some men,some researches also show that women can endure more pain then men,the role of women is not restricted to just sports and athletics they have played a great role in the well being of man kind i mean you and i came into this world because of a women and a women raised us to become what we are today.

I believe that men and women are made equal but if you say that in general physical capabilities of men and women are the same than i will disagree(YEAH MANLINESS).

I am not bashing women i was just trying to add a little humor to this thread sexism is pretty funny if you don't mean it for example

And i don't mean any of it i am sorry if any female is offended by it but i can't resist it

Yeah... see... the thing about "edgy" comedy is this: It needs to be edgy, and your's is just tired and old. The other thing... is that it needs to be funny, and while what you're posting doesn't offend me, it also isn't funny. Go to SA some time and post that weak 'stuff'... you'd be laughed out just for recycling such old material.

So, being that it's funny to you, and would only really be amusing in the context of outraging someone else, or because it is a dim reflection of your views...

In the end, you're just advertising your own insecurities by finding it funny to begin with. Still, I admire your kneejerk response to being caught with your pants down, and found wanting.

edit: By the way, if you want a FUNNY response to the wife one, give me your email address and and I'll share a few thoughts with you.

 

[DanP]

I agree with that. But it's great to train together, I think.

Yeah. Every female who had brothers rolled with males from a very young age :P It's inevitable. So why not in the gym as well ?

Fighting is more or less a form of expressing yourself, and there is no place for stupid sex-linked prejudices in training. If a sparring session improves your performance, then it has no importance you gained that experience rolling with a man or a woman. An armbar will hurt the same regardless if it's applied by a men or a women. If you are ashamed a women got you, learn how not to end in the same position again :P In a word, learn to express yourself better .

And even if you are superior to the girl technically and physically (or to another opponent, regardless of sex), it doesn't mean that rolling is devoided of any value. It may be useful to you if you tame a bit your strength and fine tune your timing and technical execution of techniques, putting her in difficult potions in which she would not end with a partner of her value, forcing her to practice escapes, or various counters. It is very beneficial for the inferior rank to practice this way sometimes.

So basically your helped someone refine techniques escapes/counters which would be hard to practice otherwise in sparing with partners of same level, while deriving some benefit yourself.

But many ppl will not think that way. Ego is monumental in some of the combat athletes of both sexes. Some go all out, play to win in each and everyone of the sparring sessions they have. And is not good. If you can help someone from your team to progress without impairing your progress, then you should doit. That being said sometimes is not so simple. Sometimes men and women will not feel very comfortable to roll together , especially in very "intimate" portions like a closed guard. Some go over it fast, others don't. Other times men will be afraid to roll with a women which has the potential to submit them because of the ego. Others will be afraid not to loose , but to be looked upon as jerks for manhandling her.

As somebody else in this thread said, there are ages in which girls will beat boys routinely. It may not be wise to pair them with girls at that stage, they may not understand why the girl is better at that age and quit coming to training from shame. This situation is not about ego.

But I am and I will be always against mixed sex in competition in any sport whatsoever, at any level and at any age whatsoever.

Hopefully she doesn't need an introduction for anyone:
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[Astronuc]

Yeah, I know about this. It's great work for the girls. However I do not believe that having mixed male and females events in sport competition is a good idea.

It depends on the sport. A sport like soccer, based more on skill, is fine. Contact sports is probably not a good idea.

On the other hand, as a teenager, I didn't mind girls tackling me. If I tackled a girl, I would do it gently, and made sure I hit the ground first to cushion the fall. It was not against my religious beliefs to wrestle with women or get tackled by them.

The point was to be respectful and have fun. And we had fun.

 

[nismaratwork]

Yeah. Every female who had brothers rolled with males from a very young age :P It's inevitable. So why not in the gym as well ?

Fighting is more or less a form of expressing yourself, and there is no place for stupid sex-linked prejudices in training. If a sparring session improves your performance, then it has no importance you gained that experience rolling with a man or a woman. An armbar will hurt the same regardless if it's applied by a men or a women. If you are ashamed a women got you, learn how not to end in the same position again :P In a word, learn to express yourself better .

And even if you are superior to the girl technically and physically (or to another opponent, regardless of sex), it doesn't mean that rolling is devoided of any value. It may be useful to you if you tame a bit your strength and fine tune your timing and technical execution of techniques, putting her in difficult potions in which she would not end with a partner of her value, forcing her to practice escapes, or various counters. It is very beneficial for the inferior rank to practice this way sometimes.

So basically your helped someone refine techniques escapes/counters which would be hard to practice otherwise in sparing with partners of same level, while deriving some benefit yourself.

But many ppl will not think that way. Ego is monumental in some of the combat athletes of both sexes. Some go all out, play to win in each and everyone of the sparring sessions they have. And is not good. If you can help someone from your team to progress without impairing your progress, then you should doit.


That being said sometimes is not so simple. Sometimes men and women will not feel very comfortable to roll together , especially in very "intimate" portions like a closed guard. Some go over it fast, others don't. Other times men will be afraid to roll with a women which has the potential to submit them because of the ego. Others will be afraid not to loose , but to be looked upon as jerks for manhandling her.

As somebody else in this thread said, there are ages in which girls will beat boys routinely. It may not be wise to pair them with girls at that stage, they may not understand why the girl is better at that age and quit coming to training from shame. This situation is not about ego.

But I am and I will be always against mixed sex in competition in any sport whatsoever, at any level and at any age whatsoever.

Hopefully she doesn't need an introduction for anyone:
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BJJ is really taking off in the USA... good to see it happen. My cousin (female) recently got into it, and she loves it. The difference here is that you're talking about sparring and grappling... there's no pinning or the need to inflict extreme pain; you tap. In my view, any woman who isn't fluent in self defense, who has the physical capacity, should engage in this.

One thing you mention that is important because it goes to the core of, "train how you fight", we agree on competiton, but for self defense... you NEED to be comfortable. Frankly, if some guy is trying to rape you, or otherwise assault you, it can't be the time to have qualms about what you have to do... including intimate contact. I know of no way to innoculate people against their instincts except through training, and training should always be as REAL as humanly possible.

Oh Krav Maga... you made my Kung Fu practical. :biggriN:

 

[nismaratwork]

It depends on the sport. A sport like soccer, based more on skill, is fine. Contact sports is probably not a good idea.

On the other hand, as a teenager, I didn't mind girls tackling me. If I tackled a girl, I would do it gently, and made sure I hit the ground first to cushion the fall. It was not against my religious beliefs to wrestle with women or get tackled by them.

The point was to be respectful and have fun. And we had fun.

Why do I suddenly think we're talking about a different kind of exercise...

Nothing wrong with that, but it's hard to make that truly comfortable in a competition setting... unless you're REALLY lucky.

 

[DanP]

Oh Krav Maga... you made my Kung Fu practical. :biggriN:

Ah, the world of Krav is full today of ****, lies, Web based training and McDojo's. Everyone and their mothers are now former Sayeret Matkal, and came to US with "the latest secret techniques", conning ppl of their hard earned dollars.

Not to say there aint exist legitimate places which train ppl properly, but many are just a waste of money.

 

[nismaratwork]

Ah, the world of Krav is full today of ****, lies, Web based training and McDojo's. Everyone and their mothers are now former Sayeret Matkal, and came to US with "the latest secret techniques", conning ppl of their hard earned dollars.

Not to say there aint exist legitimate places which train ppl properly, but many are just a waste of money.

Very true, fortunately I started that when I visited a friend in Israel... I got, perhaps fortunately, the "military" version.

Ow. Ooooow. Ow. OOOOOOOW. OW! I can say with confidence that unless you carry an assault rifle and K-Bar, you NEED a modified version of Krav Maga. You do however, as you indicate, have to be careful what you're getting, and when you find the real deal, what you're getting into.

I was VERY glad to have had experience with NLF-Kung Fu, because Krav Maga (the real deal) does very little to teach technique. It's very much about the most effective strategies and tactics, basic and effective strikes and grappling, and basically... insane agression. The best things in Krav Maga aren't anything native to it as a "fighting system", but the training it offers.

For pure self defense, BJJ, Judo, and something with striking/turning.

 

[mugaliens]

Hi, I'm interested in hearing honest opinions/experiences on male versus female strength. As a perhaps below-average strength guy (150 lbs, can bench 70 lbs ten times at most) I've often found women stronger than me, and many have pinned me in friendly wrestles. Wondering if men or women on this list have experiences to share, I'm curious if women often surprise their male friends or mates by being stronger. Thanks, Kevin

Back in 8th grade, I met one female who could outsprint me. In face, she outsprinted both my best friend and I (both of us ran track), two blocks between the pizza house and her house. She was his girlfriend, and did so on a dare, taking off like a shot, without either of us able to catch up.

Lots of females could outsprint me these days, as I'm sure lots could probably outwrestle me these days.

Didn't get much opportunity to wrestle females back in middle/high school. With one exception, it wasn't even a contest. A fellow student in the 10th grade gave me a run for my money.

I can't help but wonder how much of their success is talent, and how much might be guys holding back, even a touch, because of millennia of natural selection which engenders most males with a protective bent towards females.

 

[FizixFreak]

What's so manly to be scared and have your ego bruised by a woman which happens to hit with more kgf than a man ? A man should have more control over his emotional balance, not get more disturbed than a 14 yo girl who just got her first period.

So you know how it feels to have a period how do you know that? what the hell have you been doing to yourself lately?

I have no bruised ego i have explained it in the previous post and don't you find it ironic that i am the one who posted the video that you are talking about seeing a women out punch a guy in a very physically demanding sport is something rare and surprising so my reaction to it is just natural i am just acting like a real guy and you are acting like a bloody feminist who will never be able to see the fact that both men and women have their own strength and weaknesses and hence they will always need each other guy like you expect women to play the same role in the society while they are taking care of their families and that is why more and more women every year are suffering from intense stress and anxiety all over the world.

All right let's not get too serious here i think this is how you look like
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[FizixFreak]

Yeah... see... the thing about "edgy" comedy is this: It needs to be edgy, and your's is just tired and old. The other thing... is that it needs to be funny, and while what you're posting doesn't offend me, it also isn't funny. Go to SA some time and post that weak 'stuff'... you'd be laughed out just for recycling such old material.

So, being that it's funny to you, and would only really be amusing in the context of outraging someone else, or because it is a dim reflection of your views...

In the end, you're just advertising your own insecurities by finding it funny to begin with. Still, I admire your kneejerk response to being caught with your pants down, and found wanting.

edit: By the way, if you want a FUNNY response to the wife one, give me your email address and and I'll share a few thoughts with you.

This is what i call argument just for the sake of argument if we agree on the same thing we really don't need to bash each other like this you and i both believe that men are women are created equally and some exceptionally talented women can actually kick a guy's behind any day why don't you just stop acting like a women in her periods and take things lightly(no offense).

Maybe i really don't have a good sense of humor big deal and what kind of thoughts are you talking about?

 

[DanP]

I have no bruised ego i have explained it in the previous post

Let me quote from you, for it seems you have a very short memory:

when i saw it for the first time it really hurt my manly ego(which every man should have i think)

i am just acting like a real guy

Yeah , yeah. Don't get your hopes too high, missy. A man... don't make me laugh

...why don't you just stop acting like a women in her periods and take things lightly(no offense).

Like I said, some have what it takes to be macho, others are just parrots.

 

[FizixFreak]

Let me quote from you, for it seems you have a very short memory

"WHEN I SAW IT FOR THE FIRST TIME".
I believe your English is not very good even though my first language is not English but i seem to be doing better

Yeah , yeah. Don't get your hopes too high, missy. A man... don't make me laugh

Yep! that is what a male feminist would say
you are the one that need hops you probably act like this because you think that will make you a chick magnet isn't that right?

 

[DanP]

It depends on the sport. A sport like soccer, based more on skill, is fine. Contact sports is probably not a good idea.

There is a big misconception that technical sports (in general sport games and contact sports, and the more precise name is used here in EE is sports with variable motor activity) do not depend highly on bio-motor abilities. A technical movement in a sport usually demands expression of high-power in a specific bio-energetic regime.

Your example of soccer for example. Soccer is a sport which is a classic high intensity intermittent exercise. It's characterized by short bouts of high intensity exercise separated by various intervals of low intensity exercise. It may not appear at such if you watch it on TV, but it beomes readily apparent if you watch graphs of player activity in time. I Physical preparation in soccer addresses the quality of high intensity bouts by improving the ability of the player to develop power (and this mainly comes from increased force and rate of force development expressed ) and the ability of the body to recover during those bouts, mainly by training the aerobic power and aerobic capacity. This is it in several lines, the essence, but the implementation detail may take several tenths of pages in a book to describe it.

So it;s not so simple as it appears on TV. Technical and tactical elements can only be expressed by using bio-motor abilities. Lack bio-mot0r ability and you can be a technical god, you won't be able to express it efficiently in the field.

 

[nismaratwork]

This is what i call argument just for the sake of argument if we agree on the same thing we really don't need to bash each other like this you and i both believe that men are women are created equally and some exceptionally talented women can actually kick a guy's behind any day why don't you just stop acting like a women in her periods and take things lightly(no offense).

Maybe i really don't have a good sense of humor big deal and what kind of thoughts are you talking about?

We don't believe that.

1.) I don't believe in "creation".
2.) Equality doesn't exist except as a goal we should hold among many.
3.) It doesn't take an EXCEPTIONALLy talented woman... most guys can't fight or wrestle to save their lives... literally. Most women can't either, but they tend to be more aware of that.
4.) If you doubt all of this, I suggest you come to the USA and challenge some female police officers to a friendly grapple. I'll pay for your hospital expenses, and bruised ego.

I'd just add, you sound like a tired comic with jaundice and a scotch, telling material from the '50s in some honkey tonk. If that's your sense of humor, I'd seriously recommend that you not put it forward as one of you best qualities. A joke needs to be funny to work, and edgy jokes require that you not clearly be ignorant of the basic facts.

Don't take this personally or as an insult, because it's not how I mean it... you strike me as somewhat awkward and young... no crime there. I'm simply pointing out that until you start cracking wise about periods, you should probably not sound like it's your way of whistling in the dark. If you really, truly believe what you're saying, I have a tiny female friend who is merely fit... she would destroy you unless you're hiding immense depths that I'm missing.

 

[nismaratwork]

There is a big misconception that technical sports (in general sport games and contact sports, and the more precise name is used here in EE is sports with variable motor activity) do not depend highly on bio-motor abilities. A technical movement in a sport usually demands expression of high-power in a specific bio-energetic regime.

Your example of soccer for example. Soccer is a sport which is a classic high intensity intermittent exercise. It's characterized by short bouts of high intensity exercise separated by various intervals of low intensity exercise. It may not appear at such if you watch it on TV, but it beomes readily apparent if you watch graphs of player activity in time. I Physical preparation in soccer addresses the quality of high intensity bouts by improving the ability of the player to develop power (and this mainly comes from increased force and rate of force development expressed ) and the ability of the body to recover during those bouts, mainly by training the aerobic power and aerobic capacity. This is it in several lines, the essence, but the implementation detail may take several tenths of pages in a book to describe it.

So it;s not so simple as it appears on TV. Technical and tactical elements can only be expressed by using bio-motor abilities. Lack bio-mot0r ability and you can be a technical god, you won't be able to express it efficiently in the field.

If I'm understanding this correctly, then your point would be that Soccor, in its activity level and intermittant nature is really very similar to an intensity graph for something like wrestling. In that case, and given your last statement, do you mean that given the same technique, the one with more capacity to impart maximum power+accuracy = winner?

 

[DanP]

If I'm understanding this correctly, then your point would be that Soccor, in its activity level and intermittant nature is really very similar to an intensity graph for something like wrestling.

It's similar and they fall in the same big category of sports with variable motor regimen, but not identical, competitional calendar is very different, energy systems are involved in different ratios, power requirements different, and hence they require different programing of training.

In that case, and given your last statement, do you mean that given the same technique, the one with more capacity to impart maximum power+accuracy = winner?

Not automatically, but given hypothetical equal technical ability you say , it is a great advantage.

And it's important not speak of maximum power alone, but maximum power in a specific bio-energetic regime. It has no use to be able to develop a lot of power but fall flat on your back out of gas after 2 mins for example, or suffer a tremendous drop in power output after the same time.

If you want to see how much physical preparedness counts, IMO a good example is to watch the fight between George StPierre vs BJ Penn , it was at UFC 94 IIRC.
Penn is a very accomplished BJJ fighter, with pretty awesome technique, but in this fight GSP simply passes his guard at will. Pay attention at how GSP does it, how fast can he develop force, and how explosive he remained for the whole duration of the fight. He was utterly dominant and he can thank this in big part to his physical preparedness.

 

[FizixFreak]

We don't believe that.

1.) I don't believe in "creation".
2.) Equality doesn't exist except as a goal we should hold among many.
3.) It doesn't take an EXCEPTIONALLy talented woman... most guys can't fight or wrestle to save their lives... literally. Most women can't either, but they tend to be more aware of that.
4.) If you doubt all of this, I suggest you come to the USA and challenge some female police officers to a friendly grapple. I'll pay for your hospital expenses, and bruised ego.

I'd just add, you sound like a tired comic with jaundice and a scotch, telling material from the '50s in some honkey tonk. If that's your sense of humor, I'd seriously recommend that you not put it forward as one of you best qualities. A joke needs to be funny to work, and edgy jokes require that you not clearly be ignorant of the basic facts.

Don't take this personally or as an insult, because it's not how I mean it... you strike me as somewhat awkward and young... no crime there. I'm simply pointing out that until you start cracking wise about periods, you should probably not sound like it's your way of whistling in the dark. If you really, truly believe what you're saying, I have a tiny female friend who is merely fit... she would destroy you unless you're hiding immense depths that I'm missing.

As far as taking on female police officers i will not be very comfortable taking on a women cause i never done it before but if do agree to that i think i will do just ok cause i have done some stand up grappling but who knows they might just put me on my a**.

By the way i am not that young and you probably find me awkward cause of the lame jokes well it is hard to crack jokes in a language you are not accustomed to and no i don't take such things personally which are coming out of the keyboard of a guy whom i don't even know.

And why did you assume that you little female friend who is not even fit(according to you) will "destroy" me now that was a premature assumption but seriously i would consider my self a douche bag if i take on tiny little girl just to show how tough i am but if she is single and cute you should probably introduce her to me she and i will have a great time:!).

Lets just end this meaningless argument right here i hope any of my comments didn't hurt your feelings but if they did HUGS ARE FREE(now that was funny admit it).

 

[nismaratwork]

It's similar and they fall in the same big category of sports with variable motor regimen, but not identical, competitional calendar is very different, energy systems are involved in different ratios, power requirements different, and hence they require different programing of training.



Not automatically, but given hypothetical equal technical ability you say , it is a great advantage.

And it's important not speak of maximum power alone, but maximum power in a specific bio-energetic regime. It has no use to be able to develop a lot of power but fall flat on your back out of gas after 2 mins for example, or suffer a tremendous drop in power output after the same time.

If you want to see how much physical preparedness counts, IMO a good example is to watch the fight between George StPierre vs BJ Penn , it was at UFC 94 IIRC.
Penn is a very accomplished BJJ fighter, with pretty awesome technique, but in this fight GSP simply passes his guard at will. Pay attention at how GSP does it, how fast can he develop force, and how explosive he remained for the whole duration of the fight. He was utterly dominant and he can thank this in big part to his physical preparedness.

I watched that, it was amazing. GSP is just what you're describing: that genetically gifted mesomorph who can actually PERFORM in practice what most only learn academically. Anderson Silva's front-kick would be another great example... sure we all know how to do it, but in a FIGHT?! Wow.

Do you have any material on this subject (kinesthetics? bio-kinetics? I don't know what it's called) that you'd recommend for some deep reading? I'm especially interested in how these atheletes develop such intense speed and cardiovascular stamina, and maintain technique as well.

 

[nismaratwork]

As far as taking on female police officers i will not be very comfortable taking on a women cause i never done it before but if do agree to that i think i will do just ok cause i have done some stand up grappling but who knows they might just put me on my a**.

I recommend reading about (if you can tell me your native tongue, I'll try to translate) "Pain-Complience" techniques. In general, there is a world of joint locks and ways to attack "weak points" that reduce the assemtry between sizes and genders. There is also the factor of agression; where you hesitate, she may not.

By the way i am not that young and you probably find me awkward cause of the lame jokes well it is hard to crack jokes in a language you are not accustomed to and no i don't take such things personally which are coming out of the keyboard of a guy whom i don't even know.

I'm glad to hear that, it very much how I view the internet. I'd be happy to try using a translator and some basic knowledge to bridge any language barriers, and remember that PF is quite the international community. Still, I think the content of your jokes are coming through, but they're not culturally relevant, which again, is no knock (fault) on you.

[And why did you assume that you little female friend who is not even fit(according to you) will "destroy" me now that was a premature assumption but seriously i would consider my self a douche bag if i take on tiny little girl just to show how tough i am but if she is single and cute you should probably introduce her to me she and i will have a great time:!).

Because I've sparred with her, and I'm 6'2", and at the time, very fit. She didn't beat me often, but she specialized in hyperextensions of fingers and toes... OW. Possbly in a turn you'll find amusing, she's a lesbian, so... no joy there. She is tiny, blonde and adorable however, right up until she has your thumb in a pretzle and your balls in your throat.

Remember, size is ALWAYS a trade with speed. There are fast big guys, but it comes at a price of stamina. This woman is FAST, and she has very good reflexes. When someone is trying to break your fingers or dislocate something precious (joints or testicles), or head-butting you in the sternum (happned to me)... size becomes very relative.

[Lets just end this meaningless argument right here i hope any of my comments didn't hurt your feelings but if they did HUGS ARE FREE(now that was funny admit it).

Now that WAS funny, and don't worry, AFAIK I don't have feelings which get hurt. Probably not a good sign...

 

[DanP]

I watched that, it was amazing. GSP is just what you're describing: that genetically gifted mesomorph who can actually PERFORM in practice what most only learn academically. Anderson Silva's front-kick would be another great example... sure we all know how to do it, but in a FIGHT?! Wow.

Do you have any material on this subject (kinesthetics? bio-kinetics? I don't know what it's called) that you'd recommend for some deep reading? I'm especially interested in how these atheletes develop such intense speed and cardiovascular stamina, and maintain technique as well.

1. Exercise physiology: Human bioenergetics and its applications Brooks, Fahey & Baldwin
2. Adaptation in sport training - Akto Viru
3. Neuromechanics of human movement - R. Enoka
3. Programming and Organization of training - Yuri Verkhoshansky
4. Fundamentals of strength training in sport - Yuri Verkhoshansky
5. Special strength training - Yuri Verkhoshansky
6. Science and practice of strength training - V. Zatiorsky
7. Transfer of training in sports A. Bondarchuck
8. Periodization of training - Theory and methodology T. Bompa


Those contain everything you need to know, but tbh, you need a couple years of practice in the field to see the theory falling in place and develop the skills needed to be efficient in physical preparation of athethes, and even before that you need to know very well the sport you want to prepare someone physically for, and be proficient in lifting yourself, so you can teach correctly the more complex lifts and drills. (for example cleans and snatches and their power versions) .

 

[nismaratwork]

1. Exercise physiology: Human bioenergetics and its applications Brooks, Fahey & Baldwin
2. Adaptation in sport training - Akto Viru
3. Neuromechanics of human movement - R. Enoka
3. Programming and Organization of training - Yuri Verkhoshansky
4. Fundamentals of strength training in sport - Yuri Verkhoshansky
5. Special strength training - Yuri Verkhoshansky
6. Science and practice of strength training - V. Zatiorsky
7. Transfer of training in sports A. Bondarchuck
8. Periodization of training - Theory and methodology T. Bompa


Those contain everything you need to know, but tbh, you need a couple years of practice in the field to see the theory falling in place and develop the skills needed to be efficient in physical preparation of athethes, and even before that you need to know very well the sport you want to prepare someone physically for, and be proficient in lifting yourself, so you can teach correctly the more complex lifts and drills. (for example cleans and snatches and their power versions) .

Excellent! Thanks very much Dan, I'll get on those.

edit: To be clear, this is for my own information and edification, I'm not about to power-lift or train others. I imagine that learning about the full range however, is valuable simply to know. besides, I'm curious.

 

[DanP]

Excellent! Thanks very much Dan, I'll get on those.

edit: To be clear, this is for my own information and edification, I'm not about to power-lift or train others. I imagine that learning about the full range however, is valuable simply to know. besides, I'm curious.

Then get Zatiorsky's book alone, the rest will gather dust :P

 

[nismaratwork]

Then get Zatiorsky's book alone, the rest will gather dust :P

Fair enough, I'll go one by one, but I do tend to read anything I get my hands on. I'll take your advice on this however.

 

[DanP]

Fair enough, I'll go one by one, but I do tend to read anything I get my hands on. I'll take your advice on this however.

Well, if the first will open your appetite for more ...

 

[nismaratwork]

Well, if the first will open your appetite for more ...

Inevitably this is the case, but still, there's no harm in taking it easy. I appreciate the info, references, and book advice.

 

[elfboy]

in terms of strength men > women if weight & height being equal

 

[FizixFreak]

she's a lesbian, so... no joy there.

What the fu**!
Really or are you just kidding? i mean that not only surprised me but i laughed like a horse on this

She is tiny, blonde and adorable however

Nice i think i can make her straight(is that the right word) i am a very handsome man or at least that is what my mother keeps telling me.

This woman is FAST, and she has very good reflexes.

hmmmmmm... now i am even more interested

Remember, size is ALWAYS a trade with speed

That is true in a lot of cases but if you have seen andrei arlovski or brock lesner fight in the UFC you will think otherwise these guys are amazing.
And one more thing can testicles be dislocated?

 

[FizixFreak]

If you want to see how much physical preparedness counts, IMO a good example is to watch the fight between George StPierre vs BJ Penn , it was at UFC 94 IIRC.
Penn is a very accomplished BJJ fighter, with pretty awesome technique, but in this fight GSP simply passes his guard at will. Pay attention at how GSP does it, how fast can he develop force, and how explosive he remained for the whole duration of the fight. He was utterly dominant and he can thank this in big part to his physical preparedness.

When i saw the fight i heard the announcers mentioning how much bigger GSP is compared to Penn and that size difference was quite visible even though they weighed roughly the same and you could clearly see how GSP showed much greater strength and and too me that was probably the biggest reason he won,GSP even looks bigger then the other guys in the division.

One thing i don't understand is that how can two men of the same weight differ so much in lean muscle mass? can you enlighten me on that?

 

[DanP]

When i saw the fight i heard the announcers mentioning how much bigger GSP is compared to Penn and that size difference was quite visible even though they weighed roughly the same and you could clearly see how GSP showed much greater strength and and too me that was probably the biggest reason he won,GSP even looks bigger then the other guys in the division.

One thing i don't understand is that how can two men of the same weight differ so much in lean muscle mass? can you enlighten me on that?

Different training protocols have different effects on body composition. A difference of several % only in body fat can dramatically change the individual's appearance. Furthermore a low body-fat percentage coupled with good ratios will make a naked human look "bigger". (but you still need to pack muscles, low bf% over very small muscles won't be very impressive)

If you step down from performance world, and you are just interested in how you look, it's worthy of note that perception of size and a good looking body is an interesting "illusion". Get good ratios all over your body, strive for a low bf% and you may look bigger and better naked then somebody who is a heavier than you.

 

[FizixFreak]

Different training protocols have different effects on body composition. A difference of several % only in body fat can dramatically change the individual's appearance. Furthermore a low body-fat percentage coupled with good ratios will make a naked human look "bigger". (but you still need to pack muscles, low bf% over very small muscles won't be very impressive)

If you step down from performance world, and you are just interested in how you look, it's worthy of note that perception of size and a good looking body is an interesting "illusion". Get good ratios all over your body, strive for a low bf% and you may look bigger and better naked then somebody who is a heavier than you.

Good point! i think bone structure of an athlete also plays an important role here and so does the genetics if you look at gsp he does not have a very thick chest or jacked up shoulders its just that his body frame has a bigger surface area his bones are wider and since strength is not only a function of muscle mass but also depends of the amount of leverage you can generate with your limbs,so a guy with a bigger frame can easily hold on to his opponent in the guard and beat him down like gsp normally does can't wait to see him fight Jake shields
(By the way isn't surprising that this thread has not attracted that many females)