Man on a boat (Classical momentum problem)

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This problem involves a classical mechanics scenario where a man moves within a boat that is initially at rest in still water. The focus is on understanding the effects of the man's movement on the boat's position, considering the resistance of water that affects the boat's motion.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the man's movement on the boat's motion and question the application of conservation of momentum due to external forces acting on the system. There is a division of the problem into parts, with some participants attempting to analyze the dynamics involved.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mechanics involved, while others express uncertainty about the assumptions and the application of principles like conservation of momentum. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem and a recognition that the result is independent of certain variables.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the lack of information about the man's speed and the nature of his movement. The imposed homework deadline adds urgency to the discussion.

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[SOLVED] Man on a boat (Classical momentum problem)

Homework Statement


This problem is from Gregory:

A boat of mass M is at rest in still water and a man of mass m is sitting at the bow. The man stands up, walks to the stern of the boat and then sits down again. If the water offers a resistance to the motion of the boat proportional to the velocity of the boat, show that the boat will eventually come to rest at its original position. [This remarkable result is independent of the resistance constant and the details of the man's motion.]

x1: the position of the center of the boat
x2: the position of the man
xcm: the position of the center of mass
k: the resistance constant of the water
a: the length of the boat

Homework Equations


xcm = (M x1+m x2)/(M+m)
Initially, x1 = 0
Initially, x2 = -a/2
In other words, the boat starts with its center on the origin, with the man on its left side.

The Attempt at a Solution


I've divided this problem into two parts:
Part 1: The man walks from position x2 = -a/2 to position x2 = x1 + a/2. As soon as the man stops walking, the position of the center of mass is x and its velocity is v, for some x and v.
Part 2: The man stands still and waits for the boat to come to rest.

I think I understand Part 2. It's a simple differential equation (m+M)xcm'' = -k*xcm', with initial conditions x and v. Incidentally, the proof works out if x + v(m+M)/k = (m a)/2(M+m)

Part 1 is the issue. All we know is that the man starts on one side of the boat and eventually ends up on the other side. We don't know how quickly the man moves or whether he moves at a constant speed. It's safe to assume that while the man moves right, the boat is moving left, and the water is pushing the boat right. Also, conservation of momentum doesn't apply because the water is applying an external force. I have no idea how to determine what the boat actually does.
 
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I really, really don't want to sound impatient, because what you guys do is absolutely incredible. But, this homework is due on Tuesday, so I would really appreciate some help. Thanks!
 
If I were to do it, I'd use conservation of momentum to find the velocity of the boat and then figure out motion resulting from the resistance offered by water. I know its not totally correct as you cannot truly apply conservation of momentum here, but the question does say that the result is independent of the resistance constant and the details of the man's motion.
 
I guess it might be a bit late now, but what the heck.

Let's define:

x is position of boat (arbitrary origin)
y is position of man relative to boat (arbitrary origin again)
M is the mass of boat
m is the mass of man
g is the drag coefficient

By simple mechanics, we have that:

[tex]M\ddot{x} = - m\ddot{y} - g\dot{x}[/tex]

Integrating we have:

[tex]M\Delta\dot{x} = \m\Delta\dot{y} - g\Delta x[/tex]

where [tex]\Delta\dot{x}[/tex] means the difference between final and initial [tex]\dot{x}[/tex], and similarly for the other terms.

So, we have that [tex]\Delta\dot{x}=\Delta\dot{y}=0[/tex] which gives that [tex]\Delta x = 0[/tex] as required.
 

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