Manifold Questions: Particle Interaction vs Element Separation

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The discussion revolves around the nature of manifolds in relation to particle interactions versus systems of elements without interactions. Participants explore whether manifolds are merely geometric constructs or if they arise from physical interactions, and the implications of these perspectives on the understanding of manifolds in physics and mathematics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the distinction between manifolds resulting from particle interactions and those in non-interacting systems, suggesting that the curvature of space is influenced by interactions.
  • Another participant proposes that a manifold is more than a geometric construct and questions whether it is a mathematical abstraction that requires physical realization to exist.
  • A third participant asserts that a manifold is defined by its properties, independent of physical interpretation, and emphasizes that mathematical abstractions do not rely on physical existence.
  • One participant introduces the concept of digital physics and information processing, seeking connections to "gage" phenomena and swarm intelligence, indicating a search for theoretical frameworks that relate to their ideas.
  • Another participant expresses frustration in finding relevant literature on swarm intelligence in relation to their inquiry, indicating a desire for more foundational resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of manifolds, with some emphasizing their mathematical abstraction and others considering their physical implications. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the relationship between manifolds and particle interactions.

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Participants highlight the limitations of their understanding and the need for further exploration of concepts like swarm intelligence and digital physics, which may not be fully developed or widely recognized in existing literature.

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Readers interested in the philosophical implications of mathematical constructs in physics, the intersection of digital physics and information theory, or those researching swarm intelligence and its applications in theoretical frameworks.

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Is there a difference between a manifold that is a result of particle interactions and say a system of elements where there is no interactions? E.g. Two particles interact with one another by exchanging force carriers and as a result they create a manifold in the form of a sphere. Isn't this different from say two particles separated by trillion of light years where there is no interaction between them and in fact the space between them is flat, where as the space in the first example is curved since trajectories are constrained to a sphere?
 
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I guess I should have rephrased this question: What I'm really asking is the concept of a manifold more than just a geometric construct and that it is in fact a mathematical abstraction? Without the resultant composition realized by something that can emulate a manifold's features there is no manifold? So it doesn't matter if the abstraction is done by a binary machine, or human being drawing on a piece of paper or even a set of particles that interact and realize a geometric form. With that said then is a manifold spontaenously created when particles interact with one another?

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"Manifold" is a mathematical abstraction. So are things like "integer", "real number", and "ket".

Math doesn't care what something "really is" -- just what properties it has. The word "manifold" means "something that has a particular collection of properties". So if something does have those properties, then it is a manifold.




It sounds like you're trying to describe some physical hypothesis that doesn't really resemble anything I'm familiar with, so I'm going to kick this over to the general physics forum, and maybe they can help you out.
 
I ran into some information that points to where I'm thinking which is a form of digital physics but more distinctly generalized to information processing by abstraction layers. Does anyone know of any papers written on "gage" phenomena as a product of a system's IQ or swarm intelligence?

I've seen a paper using swarm intelligence to search Ising ground states but very little else, any help would be much appreciated.

Frank
 
The closes't thing to swarming I could find is "Monte Carlo swarm experiments", which isn't quite what I'm looking from. I just hate starting for scratch...

Frank
 

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