Manipulating Gravity: Is It Possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of manipulating gravity, particularly through the use of electromagnetic fields and current loops, as suggested by a recent article and associated research paper. Participants explore the theoretical implications, potential applications, and the feasibility of such manipulation within the realms of physics and technology.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether gravity manipulation is feasible or merely a speculative idea, referencing an article that discusses creating artificial gravitational fields.
  • Another participant provides a link to a research paper that discusses how current loops and solenoids might curve spacetime, noting that the effect is extraordinarily tiny.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the practicality of detecting the gravitational influence of electromagnetic fields, citing that the effect is significantly weaker than gravitational waves detected by LIGO.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between information and energy, with one participant suggesting that accumulating information could be seen as a form of stored energy, while another counters this claim, stating that information itself is not equivalent to energy.
  • Concerns are raised about the sensationalism in media portrayals of the research, particularly the characterization of the effects as "artificial gravity."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some skeptical about the feasibility of manipulating gravity and others intrigued by the theoretical possibilities. No consensus is reached regarding the validity or implications of the discussed research.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current technology to measure the tiny effects proposed in the research, and there is uncertainty about the significance of the research paper's submission date.

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I do not have a paper to quote but this article claims that gravity can be manipulated., is this pie in the sky or is gravity manipulation a possibility?

Creating artificial gravitational fields that humans can manipulate and observe may seem like an idea from science fiction, but one researcher is now looking to turn the concept into a reality.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...s-using-current-technology.html#ixzz4MDOXczha
 
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Here's the original paper "How current loops and solenoids curve spacetime": https://arxiv.org/abs/1504.00333
I hope the date on which it was submitted (1st April) is not significant. In any case, it seems to be an extraordinarily tiny effect.
 
wild. I'd love to hear the verdict.
I know this is sci-fi land but what if knowing exactly what to do with those EM fields reduced the amount energy required?
And if perhaps all of human history has been about accumulating the exact information needed - isn't that equivalent to a lot of stored energy?

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2010/nov/19/information-converted-to-energy

This has been the argument I keep succumbing to for why maybe it's not impossible.
 
Jonathan Scott said:
I hope the date on which it was submitted (1st April) is not significant.
Could be. It would be a direct detection of the gravitational influence of electromagnetic fields. Assuming the calculations are done right, the effect is 14 orders of magnitude weaker than the gravitational wave signal LIGO saw. No, we won't detect it, we don't have the technology to measure effects that tiny.

Calling that "artificial gravity", as done by dailymail, is just nonsense. It is as artificial as the gravity of a rock next to me: I can move it and influence the gravitational field that way. Great. Moving that rock has a larger effect than the one discussed in the preprint.
 
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Hm, the paper doesn't look like an april fool's day joke (at least not at the first glance :-)). To measure the influence on em. fields seems to be out of reach given the tinyness of the effect, but according to GR it should be there.
 
Jimster41 said:
And if perhaps all of human history has been about accumulating the exact information needed - isn't that equivalent to a lot of stored energy?

No. The experiment described in the article you link to does not show that stored information is equivalent to stored energy. It just shows that, by using information, you can manipulate objects using energy from the environment (by taking advantage of random fluctuations), instead of having to supply it yourself. But the information itself isn't energy and isn't equivalent to it.
 

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