Manipulating partial derivitaves/ general derivatives

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The discussion revolves around manipulating partial derivatives in the context of converting between rectangular and polar coordinates, particularly in relation to the Laplace equation and circular geometry.

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of trigonometric functions, particularly the derivative of tangent and its implications for partial derivatives. There is also a focus on understanding the application of the chain rule in this context.

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Some participants have provided insights into the differentiation process and the use of the chain rule, while others express confusion regarding specific steps and the application of calculus concepts. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and there is an ongoing exchange of ideas without a clear consensus.

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Participants mention a lack of familiarity with certain calculus results and express uncertainty about the rules governing partial derivatives, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that are influencing the discussion.

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This is a small part in converting between rectangular to polar coords for laplace equation with a problem of circular geometry:

what I have in my notes:

[tex]\tan\theta=\frac{y}{x}\implies\sec^{2}\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial x}=\frac{-y}{x^{2}}[/tex]

I can't figure out how he went from the first part to sec^2theta(del)theta(del)x..

I think an intermediate step is:

[tex]\theta=\tan^{-1}\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

But I do not know how to differentiate the above with respect to x...there is no entry in my log table that corresponds to tan^-1(a/x)...am in a rush to find this out..so any help appreciated.
 
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If you differentiate tanθ w.r.t. x, you will get sec2θ dθ /dx

so if you take the partial derivative in that equation you'll get

sec2θ *∂θ /∂x
 
thanks, I am not familiar with that result (although I probably should be)..
would you mind explaining a little bit more how differentiating tan(theta) w.r.t.x leads to sec^2..my ability with calculus ain't too strong!
 
You can prove that the derivative of tan(x) is sec2(x) using the quotient rule. Just rewrite tan(x) as sin(x)/cos(x). I'm sure you know the derivatives for those.
 
what's confusing me is that if theta=tanx then dtheta/dx=sec^2x <-------that much I know...

but this question is tantheta=1/x...so I don't quite so how it works out the same...again, I stress I am **** at calculus!
 
Well, this is a bit of an abuse of notation, but if we let z=tan(theta), and tan(theta)=y/x, then we can do this:

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx} = \frac{dz}{d\theta} \frac{d\theta}{dx}[/tex]

And since dz/dθ is easy to compute, and so is the derivative on the right side of the equation, we can easily arrive at:

[tex]\frac{dz}{d\theta} = sec^2(\theta)[/tex]

and thus

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx} = sec^2(\theta) \frac{d\theta}{dx} = -\frac{y}{x^2}[/tex]

All you need is the chain rule.
 
a follow up question:

in my notes I have:

[tex]\cos\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial r}(\cos\theta\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}-\frac{\sin\theta}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta})-\frac{\sin\theta}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}(\cos\theta\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}-\frac{\sin\theta}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta})=\cos^{2}\theta\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial r^{2}}-\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r}\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial r\partial\theta}+\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}-\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r}\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial\theta\partial r}+\frac{\sin^{2}\theta}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}+\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}+\frac{\sin^{2}\theta}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial^{2}\theta}[/tex]

I cannot figure out where the two partial(u)/partial(theta) expressions came from and also where did the partial(u)/partial(r) expression come from?
I clearly don't understand the rules of this properly, my thinking was that we get rid of the brackets by multiplying everything out, but that does not account for the expressions I just mentioned..
 
just to repost the right hand side of the equality again as it didn't come out fully:

[tex]=\cos^{2}\theta\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial r^{2}}-\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r}\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial r\partial\theta}+\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}-\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r}\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial\theta\partial r}+\frac{\sin^{2}\theta}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}+\frac{\sin\theta\cos\theta}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}+\frac{\sin^{2}\theta}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial^{2}\theta}[/tex]
 

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