Mass and velocity, thank you for your help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mass and velocity, particularly in the context of special relativity and Newtonian mechanics. Participants explore concepts such as relativistic mass, momentum, and energy, as well as the implications of these ideas for understanding motion at high speeds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the statement that mass increases with velocity, referencing the Newtonian equation p = mv, which suggests that if velocity increases, mass should decrease.
  • Another participant clarifies that the concept of increasing mass with velocity pertains to special relativity, applicable at speeds approaching the speed of light.
  • A request is made for the equation for momentum under special relativity.
  • Discussion includes the concept of "relativistic mass," which some participants note is less commonly used among professional physicists today, who prefer the term "rest mass."
  • Equations for momentum and energy in special relativity are presented, indicating how they relate to rest mass and velocity.
  • One participant attempts to connect kinetic energy with velocity, suggesting that energy increases with speed, and relates this to the equation E = mc², questioning if this reasoning is correct.
  • Another participant points out that setting velocity to zero in the equations leads to the rest energy formula E = mc².

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and acceptance of the concept of relativistic mass, with some supporting its use and others indicating a preference for rest mass. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and applicability of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of mass and energy, as well as the assumptions made about the applicability of different equations in various contexts. The relationship between kinetic energy and velocity is also not fully explored.

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Dear all,

I am a lover in astrophyics, however, I have not got much knowledge in it. Recently, I read a book and it says " the mass (of an object) increases as its velocity goes up", I don't think my brain works for this sentence...

I seem to remember that P=M*V, so literally, if velocity increases mass should decrease?

Please don't laugh and enlighten me :P
 
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p=m*v is from Newtonian mechanics whereas the statement on increasing mass with increasing speed is related to special relativity theory and applicable for speeds approaching the speed of light.
 
so may I know the equation for p under SR? thank you for your reply :)
 
This is the concept of "relativistic mass" which was once quite popular but rarely used nowadays amongst professional physicists, who prefer to stick with a non-varying "rest mass".

I hope you are familiar with the concept of kinetic energy -- "the energy (of an object) increases as its velocity goes up" -- and also with E = mc2 relating mass to energy. The idea of relativistic mass was to treat kinetic energy as part of an object's mass
 
In relativity we have momentum p and energy E given by[tex]\begin{align}<br /> \textbf{p} &= \frac{m\textbf{v}}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}} \\<br /> E &= \frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}<br /> \end{align}[/tex]where m is rest mass. Relativistic mass was[tex] \frac{m}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}[/tex]
 
DrGreg said:
This is the concept of "relativistic mass" which was once quite popular but rarely used nowadays amongst professional physicists, who prefer to stick with a non-varying "rest mass".

I hope you are familiar with the concept of kinetic energy -- "the energy (of an object) increases as its velocity goes up" -- and also with E = mc2 relating mass to energy. The idea of relativistic mass was to treat kinetic energy as part of an object's mass

I see, so that's actually a algebra thing?

(for my own understanding , sorry if I am wrong) the energy of an object and its V have a positive correlation, so E goes up when speed goes up.

and then, since E=mc^2, and c is constant ( assume in vaccum) so we relate E with c .

is this correct?

thank you !
 
if you set v=0 then you get the famous e=mc^2, the energy at rest from the equations above.
 

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