Spring static equilibrium Problem

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The discussion centers on solving a spring static equilibrium problem involving two masses and springs. Participants clarify the equations of motion for the system, correcting initial misconceptions about the role of gravitational forces and the relationship between the displacements of the masses and spring extensions. The correct second-order differential equations are established as m2*ddot(y2) = -k2(y2 - y1) and m1*ddot(y1) = k2(y2 - y1) - k1*y1. The conversation then shifts to solving these equations, with suggestions to use matrix methods and eigenvalues to simplify the problem. The thread concludes with participants exploring the implications of their findings and the methods for solving the resulting equations.
  • #51
The ##\alpha## are the expansion coefficients that tell you how much of each eigenvector there is in the solution. Generally those coefficients will be time dependent. The idea is that any vector
$$
Y =
\begin{pmatrix}
y_1 \\ y_2
\end{pmatrix}
$$
can be written as a linear combination of the eigenvectors
$$
Y = \alpha_1(t) v_1 + \alpha_2(t) v_2
$$
where the expansion coefficients generally depend on time. Inserting this into the differential equation gives you separated differential equations for the ##\alpha##, i.e., the differential equation for ##\alpha_1## does not depend on ##\alpha_2## and vice versa.
 
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  • #52
So we have
For

##\begin{pmatrix}
\ddot y_1 \\
\ddot y_2 \\
\end{pmatrix}=-12α_1
\begin{pmatrix}
2 \\
-1 \\
\end{pmatrix}
-2α_2 \begin{pmatrix}
1 \\
2 \\
\end{pmatrix}##
 
  • #53
You need to insert the expression for Y in terms of the alphas on the left side as well.
 
  • #54
Orodruin said:
You need to insert the expression for Y in terms of the alphas on the left side as well.
Could you write it please..so I can learn it.. I don't get it this way. I need to proceed . This is painful
 
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  • #55
##\begin{pmatrix}
y_1 \\
y_2 \\
\end{pmatrix}=C_1e^{-12t}
\begin{pmatrix}
2 \\
-1 \\
\end{pmatrix}+
C_2e^{-2t} \begin{pmatrix}
1 \\
2 \\
\end{pmatrix}##
 
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  • #56
That would be the result if you had a first order derivative and not a second order one in your differential equation.
 
  • #57
Orodruin said:
You need to insert the expression for Y in terms of the alphas on the left side as well.
You mean it will be ##\ddot α_1v_1## etc
 
  • #58
i think what @Orodruin menas is that the aplhas you got in post 56 would be the solution of
##
\dot \alpha_i = \lambda_i \alpha_i
##
instead of
##
\ddot \alpha_i = \lambda_i \alpha_i
##
you wouldn't get an exponential solution if you used the second one
 
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