Mathemathical pendulum with springs

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The problem involves a mass attached to a pendulum with springs, where the mass can oscillate after being displaced from its equilibrium position. The objective is to calculate the frequency of oscillation, considering the dynamics of the system and the interactions between the pendulum and the springs.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive equations of motion using Lagrangian mechanics but expresses confusion about solving the resulting system of differential equations. Some participants suggest using Taylor expansion for small angles to simplify the problem, leading to coupled linear equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in deriving the equations of motion and have found a potential solution for the frequency of oscillation. However, there are still questions regarding the number of resonance frequencies and the impact of initial conditions on the solution. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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The original poster notes that the problem specifies a small displacement from equilibrium, which may influence the analysis of the system's behavior and the resulting equations.

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Homework Statement


A body with mass ##m## is hanged on a line with length ##l## and attached to springs in point ##p##. Point ##p## can move only horizontally. In equilibrium position, non of the springs is deformed. Now let's give that body just a little push out of equilibrium position. Calculate the frequency of oscillation.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Let's put the origin of our coordinate system in point ##p## with ##\hat{i}## axis to right along the right spring and ##\hat{j}## axis pointed up.

Now the coordinate is fixed, while point ##p## can move along axis ##\hat{i}##. Let ##\vec{r} ## be vector from the origin to mass ##m## and let's say that ##\varphi ## is the angle between the line ##l## and vertical line.

Than ##\vec{r}=(lsin\varphi + x,lcos\varphi )## where ##x## is the expansion/shrinkage of springs or in other words: movement of point ##p##.

Than ##\dot{\vec{r}}=(\dot{\varphi }lcos\varphi+\dot{x},-l\dot{\varphi }sin\varphi)## and ##\dot{\vec{r}}^2=(\dot{\varphi }l)^2+2\dot{\varphi }l\dot{x}cos\varphi+\dot{x}^2##.

Now ##L=T-V=\frac{1}{2}m\dot{\vec{r}}^2-(-mglcos\varphi +kx^2)=(\dot{\varphi }l)^2+2\dot{\varphi }l\dot{x}cos\varphi+\dot{x}^2+mglcos\varphi -kx^2##

If that is ok, than

##\frac{\partial L}{\partial \varphi }-\frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} t}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\varphi }}=\ddot{\varphi }+\frac{g}{l}sin\varphi +\frac{\ddot{x}}{l}cos\varphi =0## and

##\frac{\partial L}{\partial x}-\frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} t}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x }}=\ddot{x}+\frac{2k}{m}x+\ddot{\varphi }lcos\varphi -\dot{\varphi }^2lsin\varphi =0##

Hopefully so far everything is ok. Now I am lost here. I am somehow supposed to solve this system of differential equations yet I have no idea how. I tried applying Taylor expansion for small ##\varphi ## but that didn't really help much...

Some help, please?
 
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Taylor expanding for small \varphi and \dot{\varphi} helps enormously. Take the expansion up to linear order and you get a set of two coupled linear equations of motion which you can solve with standard methods, finding the eigensystem of solutions.
 
Yup, I figured it out yesterday late into the night...

For small angles:

##\ddot{\varphi }+\frac{g}{l}\varphi +\frac{1}{l}\ddot{x}=0## and

##\ddot{x}+\frac{2k}{m}x +l\ddot{\varphi }=0##

Now let's say that ##x=x_0e^{i\omega t}## and ##\varphi =\varphi _0e^{i\omega t}##. This gives me

##\begin{bmatrix}
-\omega ^2+\frac{g}{l} & -\omega ^2\\
-\omega ^2& -\omega^2 +\frac{2k}{m}
\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}
\varphi _0\\
x_0
\end{bmatrix}=\begin{bmatrix}
0\\
0
\end{bmatrix}##

And finally ##\omega ^2=\frac{g/l}{1+\frac{mg}{2kl}}##

THANKS!
 
Hm, aren't there two resonance frequencies? You must have a solution with four free parameters, determined by the initial conditions x(0)=x_0, \dot{x}_0=v_0, \varphi(0)=\varphi_0, and \dot{\varphi}(0)=\Omega_0.
 
I don't know. I am not smart enough, that's why I am here learning. :D You tell me?

I do have some unofficial solutions for this problem and my solution is the same. That's all I know.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough when writing the problem: It says here that we grab the mass and pull it away from equilibrium position for small ##\varphi ## and than release it. Does this change anything?
 

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