Matrix Sum of Squares: Rotate Coord System to Express as Diagonal

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The discussion revolves around expressing the quadratic form \( x^2 + 2xy + 2yz + z^2 \) as a sum of squares in a rotated coordinate system. Participants explore methods for diagonalizing the associated matrix \( M \) and transforming the coordinates accordingly, with a focus on the implications of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in this context.

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  • One participant questions the requirement for a rotated coordinate system and suggests diagonalizing the matrix \( M \) to achieve the desired form.
  • Another participant provides a method to express the quadratic form in terms of new variables but notes that the resulting expression differs from the expected form due to the eigenvalues of \( M \).
  • Concerns are raised about the signs of the entries in the matrix \( B \) and the determinant, leading to corrections and clarifications about the orthogonal matrix used for the transformation.
  • Some participants discuss the characteristic polynomial of \( M \) and derive the eigenvalues, with discrepancies noted in earlier calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the order of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with questions about the flexibility in their arrangement and the implications for the transformation.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the necessity of complete row reduction for finding eigenvalues and explore intuitive approaches to identifying the diagonal matrix \( D \).

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There is no consensus on the final form of the quadratic expression in the rotated coordinate system, as participants present differing views on the eigenvalues and the resulting transformations. Some agree on the method of diagonalization, while others challenge the correctness of specific calculations and interpretations.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made in their calculations, particularly concerning the eigenvalues of \( M \) and the implications for the transformation matrix \( B \). There are also unresolved questions about the necessity of certain steps in the diagonalization process.

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Maybe I just need help understanding the question ...

write $ x^2 + 2xy + 2yz + z^2 $ as a sum of squares $ (x')^2 -2(y')^2 + 2(z')^2 $ in a rotated coord system.

The 1st expression $ = \left[ x, y, z \right]M \begin{bmatrix}x\\y\\z\end{bmatrix} $ and I get $ M = \begin{bmatrix}1&1&0\\1&0&1\\0&1&1\end{bmatrix}$
(I wonder if a matrix with 'anti-trace' = 0 has any significant usage somewhere?)

So then would I go 2nd expression (which I see is diagonal) $ = SMS^{-1} $ and somehow find $S$ from that?
 
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Hi ognik,

The expression in terms of $x',y',z'$ is not a sum of squares: the coefficient of $(y')^2$ has a minus sign.

You can write

$$x^2+2xy+2yz+z^2=(x^2+2xy+y^2)-y^2+2yz+z^2=(x+y)^2-(y^2-2yz+z^2)+2z^2=(x+y)^2-(y-z)^2+2z^2.$$

From here, you can see that setting $x'=x+y$, $y'=\frac{y}{\sqrt{2}}-\frac{z}{\sqrt{2}}$, and $z'=z$ will make the quadratic form $x^2+2xy+2yz+z^2$ into $(x')^2-2(y')^2+2(z')^2$.
 
Euge's method is perfect for finding a change of basis that satisfies the criteria.

However, the problem asks for a 'rotated coord system'.
To find it, we need to diagonalize the matrix $M$, that is, write it as $M = BDB^T$, where $D$ is a diagonal matrix and $B$ is an orthogonal matrix.
Diagonalization is typically done by finding the eigenvalues and their corresponding eigenvectors.
It is guaranteed that $M$ is diagonalizable and also that the eigenvectors are orthogonal (spectral theorem for symmetric real matrices).
$D$ is the matrix with the eigenvalues on its diagonal, while $B$ is the matrix with the corresponding eigenvectors, normalized to unit length, and such that $\det B=1$ to ensure it's a rotation without a reflection.

When we have it, we can substitute:
$$x^T M x = x^T BDB^T x = (B^T x)^T D (B^T x) = x'^T D x'$$
 
Wow, how did I miss that it had to be a rotated coordinate system. :confused: I Like Serena is on point about the analysis of finding the equivalent quadratic form in the rotated coord. system. However, the resulting form will not be $(x')^2 - 2(y')^2 + 2(z')^2$, but $(x')^2 - (y')^2 + 2(z')^2$. The reason is that the set of eigenvalues of $M$ is $\{1,-1,2\}$, not $\{1,-2,2\}$.The vectors

$$\begin{bmatrix}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\0\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\\ -\frac{2}{\sqrt{6}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\end{bmatrix}, \begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\end{bmatrix}$$

form an orthonormal basis of eigenvectors for $M$, with the eigenvectors corresponding to eigenvalues $1$, $-1$, and $2$, respectively. So setting

$$B = \begin{bmatrix}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ 0 & -\frac{2}{\sqrt{6}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\end{bmatrix}$$

we have

$$B^TMB = \begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 & 0\\0 & -1 & 0\\0 & 0 & 2\end{bmatrix}.$$

For the new coordinate system $(x',y',z')$, we have

$$\begin{bmatrix}x'\\y' \\z' \end{bmatrix} = B^T\begin{bmatrix} x\\ y\\ z\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}x + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}z\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}x - \frac{2}{\sqrt{6}}y + \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}z\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}x + \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}y + \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}z\end{bmatrix}$$

and quadratic form

$$\begin{bmatrix} x' & y' & z'\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 & 0\\0 & -1 & 0\\0 & 0 & 2\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x'\\y'\\z'\end{bmatrix} = (x')^2 - (y')^2 + 2(z')^2.$$
 
Euge said:
$$B = \begin{bmatrix}\frac{-1}{\sqrt{2}} & 0 & -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}} & -\frac{2}{\sqrt{6}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\end{bmatrix}$$

Wolfram says that $\det B = 0$. :eek:

I think the top right entry should be positive.

In the final expression the signs are different (top left made positive), but then the determinant is $-1$.
 
I made a typo which should be fixed now. :)

Edit: Ok, my $B$ was interchanged with $B^T$. I've made the corrections.
 
I like Serena said:
When we have it, we can substitute:
$$x^T M x = x^T BDB^T x = (B^T x)^T D (B^T x) = x'^T D x'$$
Thanks folks, I follow down to here, and it fits with what I am looking at in the book. Just taking a checkpoint:

We can't be talking about the eigenvalues of 'my' M here, so for the secular eqtn of D I get $ Det\begin{bmatrix}1-\lambda&0&0\\0&-2-\lambda&0\\0&0&2-\lambda\end{bmatrix} = 0$, which gives me eigenvalues of 1, -2, 2?
 
Hi ognik,

I don't understand what you did there, and why you think none of us were speaking of the same $M$ as yours. With

$$M = \begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 0\\1 & 0 & 1\\0 & 1 & 1\end{bmatrix}$$

we have

$$M - \lambda I = \begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 0\\1 & 0 & 1\\0 & 1 & 1\end{bmatrix} - \begin{bmatrix} \lambda & 0 & 0\\0 & \lambda & 0\\0 & 0 & \lambda\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}1 - \lambda & 1 & 0\\1 & -\lambda & 1\\ 0 & 1 & 1 - \lambda\end{bmatrix}$$

The characteristic equation for $M$ is therefore

$$\operatorname{det}\begin{bmatrix}1 - \lambda & 1 & 0\\1 & -\lambda & 1\\ 0 & 1 & 1 - \lambda\end{bmatrix} = 0$$

Expanding the determinant along the first column, the right-hand side of the equation becomes

$$(1-\lambda) \operatorname{det}\begin{bmatrix}-\lambda & 1\\ 1 & 1 - \lambda\end{bmatrix} - \operatorname{det}\begin{bmatrix}1 & 0\\1 & 1 -\lambda\end{bmatrix} = (1 -\lambda)[(-\lambda)(1-\lambda) - 1] - (1 - \lambda) = (1 - \lambda)(\lambda^2 - \lambda - 1) - (1 - \lambda) = (1 - \lambda)(\lambda^2 - \lambda - 2) = (1 - \lambda)(1 + \lambda)(2 - \lambda).$$

Thus $(1 - \lambda)(1 + \lambda)(2 - \lambda) = 0$, yielding solutions $\lambda_1 = 1$, $\lambda_2 = -1$, and $\lambda_3 = 2$. The numbers $\lambda_1,\lambda_2,\lambda_3$ are the eigenvalues of $M$.
 
I must have made a mistake with my calcs then and will check them, got different eigenvalues from M.

I instead looked at $ x'^TDx' $ which I figured should be equal to $x^2 -2(y^2) +2z^2 $, so found the eigenvalues of $D= \begin{bmatrix}1&0&0\\0&-2&0\\0&0&2\end{bmatrix}$ (When in doubt, try something else...) I think I would have to be finding $B^{-1}$ if I continued? - more difficult.

OK, the rest is falling into place for me, the rotation matrix mentioned is then B? (Got to mention the book covers this whole lot in a page or so, so if there is a noddy guide link somewhere, I'd appreciate it)
 
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Euge said:
The reason is that the set of eigenvalues of $M$ is $\{1,-1,2\}$,

The vectors

$$\begin{bmatrix}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\0\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\\ -\frac{2}{\sqrt{6}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\end{bmatrix}, \begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\end{bmatrix}$$

form an orthonormal basis of eigenvectors for $M$,
Hi guys, just revisiting this and want to confirm it doesn't matter about the order we take some things.

A) For example, please confirm I can take the order of the eigenvalues as of $M$ to be $\{-1,1,2\}$ ?

B) Can I additionally change the order of elements in the eigenvectors, for example for $\lambda = 1$ I could choose z = -1, making x=1 and the (now 2nd) eigenvector would then be $\begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\0\\ -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\end{bmatrix} $ ?

C) I have noticed that I don't have to completely row-reduce some matrices in order to find the eigenvalue - is there a rule of thumb/approach about this? For example it might be that once each row has at least one zero, the eigenvalue can be found without further row reductions?

D) Finally, once I have the eigenvalues, I could find D by inspection of the sum of squares?
In fact it seems I could find D by inspection straight off, or is that just coincidence with this exercise?
 
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