Max speed given power and resistive forces

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The discussion centers on determining the maximum speed (v_m) of a body with mass M, subjected to a constant power P and resistive forces proportional to the square of its speed (Mkv^2). The correct expression for maximum speed is derived as v_m^3 = P/(Mk). The initial attempt at solving the problem incorrectly involved calculus that was not applicable in this context, leading to confusion about the necessity of an initial velocity. The final resolution clarifies that the power is constant, allowing for a straightforward relationship between force and velocity.

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Homework Statement


A body of mass M, traveling in a straight horizontal line, is supplied with constant power P and is subjected to a resistance Mkv^2, where v is its speed and k is a constant. Show that the speed of the body cannot exceed a certain value v_m and find an expression for v_m.

Homework Equations



P=\frac{dW}{dt}
F=\frac{dv}{dt}

Where W is work, F is force, t is time.

The Attempt at a Solution



First, find the force applied to the body by the power:

P = \frac{dW}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\int{Fdx} = \int{F \frac{dx}{dt}} = \int{Fdv}

We conclude by the fundamental theorem of calculus:

F = \frac{dP}{dv}

The resultant force on the body is therefore F_{res} = \frac{dP}{dv} - Mkv^2 = 0 at v_m.
Now we can write \frac{dP}{dv} = Mkv^2 which gives:

P = \int_{v_0}^{v_m}{Mkv^2dv} = \frac{1}{3}Mk (v_m^3 - v_0^3)

If it's ok to assume that v_0 = 0 (which I don't think it can be - I don't think it should depend on any initial velocity):

v_m^3 = \frac{3P}{Mk}.

The answer is given as v_m^3 = \frac{P}{Mk}.

What am I doing wrong? Also why am I having to set an initial velocity? Thanks for any help :)
 
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OK I've given it some more thought. Obviously because the power is constant and at v_m velocity is also constant, I can write:
W=Fd, which by dividing both sides by time gives P=Fv, giving F=\frac{P}{v}.

So now I can just write:

\frac{P}{v_m}=Mkv_m^2

Which clearly gives the desired answer. That doesn't really explain why my calculus doesn't work though...
 
Jezza said:
First, find the force applied to the body by the power:
##\frac{d}{dt}\int{Fdx} = \int{F \frac{dx}{dt}} = \int{Fdv}##
You can't really do that. The middle term makes no sense - you need one more d in the numerator than in the denominator inside an integral.
In fact, at any instant, P=Fv. No need for an integral.
Jezza said:
The resultant force on the body is therefore ##\frac{dP}{dv} - Mkv^2 = 0##
This is clearly not right since P is constant. You would deduce that v=0.
 
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