Maximizing and Minimizing Distance of a Bullet Fired from a Satellite

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The problem involves a bullet fired from a satellite in a circular orbit around Earth. The satellite has a radius 'a' and a velocity 'v0', while the bullet is fired with a muzzle velocity of v0/2. The task is to calculate the maximum and minimum distances of the bullet from the center of Earth during its motion, neglecting certain resistances.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of angular momentum and mechanical energy to derive equations related to the bullet's motion.
  • There are attempts to solve a quadratic equation derived from the energy conservation principles, with some participants questioning the accuracy of their algebra.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on specific steps in their derivations.
  • Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of angular momentum in the context of the bullet's motion after being fired.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's attempts to solve the problem, with some providing feedback on potential errors in calculations. There is a focus on clarifying the derivation of equations and ensuring that the principles of physics are correctly applied. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the conservation laws involved.

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Some participants note the potential for algebraic errors in their calculations, and there is a discussion about the assumptions made regarding the bullet's motion and angular momentum. The original poster expresses confusion over the expected results compared to their own findings.

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Homework Statement



An Earth satellite is revolving in a circular orbit of radius 'a' with velocity 'v0'. A gun is in the satellite and is aimed directly towards the earth.A bullet is fired from the gun with muzzle velocity v0/2.Neglecting resistance offered by cosmic dust and recoil of gun,calculate maximum and minimum distance of bullet from the center of Earth during its subsequent motion.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Orbital speed of satellite is \sqrt{\frac{GM}{a}}

Initial velocity of the bullet v_{i} = \sqrt{{v_o}^2+(\frac{v_0}{2})^2} = \frac{\sqrt{5}v_{0}}{2}

Let P be the point at which bullet is fired and Q be point where distance is maximum/minimum.

Applying conservation of angular momentum at P and Q

mv_{i}a=mvr

or , v = \frac{v_{i}a}{r} = \frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}\frac{av_0}{r}

Applying conservation of mechanical energy at P and Q

\frac{1}{2}m{v_i}^2 - \frac{GMm}{a} = \frac{1}{2}m{v}^2 - \frac{GMm}{r}

Solving the equations , I get 3r^2-8ar+5a^2 = 0 which gives r =5/3a and a .

The answer i am getting is incorrect .

The correct answer given is 2a and 2a/3 .

I would be grateful if somebody could help me with the problem.
 
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Tanya Sharma said:

Homework Statement



An Earth satellite is revolving in a circular orbit of radius 'a' with velocity 'v0'. A gun is in the satellite and is aimed directly towards the earth.A bullet is fired from the gun with muzzle velocity v0/2.Neglecting resistance offered by cosmic dust and recoil of gun,calculate maximum and minimum distance of bullet from the center of Earth during its subsequent motion.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Orbital speed of satellite is \sqrt{\frac{GM}{a}}

Initial velocity of the bullet v_{i} = \sqrt{{v_o}^2+(\frac{v_0}{2})^2} = \frac{\sqrt{5}v_{0}}{2}

Let P be the point at which bullet is fired and Q be point where distance is maximum/minimum.

Applying conservation of angular momentum at P and Q

mv_{i}a=mvr

or , v = \frac{v_{i}a}{r} = \frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}\frac{av_0}{r}

Applying conservation of mechanical energy at P and Q

\frac{1}{2}m{v_i}^2 - \frac{GMm}{a} = \frac{1}{2}m{v}^2 - \frac{GMm}{r}

Solving the equations , I get 3r^2-8ar+ {\color{red}{5a^2}} = 0 which gives r =5/3a and a .
Check your algebra for that last term in your quadratic. Otherwise you've done fine up to that point.
 
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Hi gneill...

Sorry...I couldn't find any algebraic error .I redid the calculations . Maybe I am committing the same mistake again .

I keep on getting r=5a/3 and a .
 
Tanya Sharma said:
Hi gneill...

Sorry...I couldn't find any algebraic error .I redid the calculations . Maybe I am committing the same mistake again .

I keep on getting r=5a/3 and a .

Can't fix what we can't see...

Can you elaborate your derivation of the quadratic a bit?
 
\frac{1}{2}m{v_i}^2 - \frac{GMm}{a} = \frac{1}{2}m{v}^2 - \frac{GMm}{r}

\frac{1}{2}m\frac{5}{4}\frac{GM}{a} - \frac{GMm}{a} = \frac{1}{2}m\frac{5}{4}\frac{a^2}{r^2}\frac{GM}{a} - \frac{GMm}{r}

\frac{5}{8a}-\frac{1}{a} = \frac{5}{8}\frac{a}{r^2}-\frac{1}{r}

\frac{-3}{8a} = \frac{1}{8r^2}(5a-8r)

3r^2-8ar+5a^2 = 0 which gives r=5a/3 ,a
 
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\frac{1}{2}m{v_i}^2 - \frac{GMm}{a} = \frac{1}{2}m{v}^2 - \frac{GMm}{r}

\frac{1}{2}m\frac{5}{4}\frac{GM}{a} - \frac{GMm}{a} = \frac{1}{2}m\frac{5}{4}\frac{a^2}{r^2}\frac{GM}{a} - \frac{GMm}{r}
The LHS looks fine. But the velocity used on the RHS should be the velocity as obtained via the conservation of angular momentum:

##r \cdot v = a \cdot v_o## {angular momentum depends on the velocity component perpendicular to the radius vector}

##v = \frac{a}{r} v_o##

## v^2 = \left( \frac{a}{r} \right)^2 v_o^2## where: ##~~~v_o^2 = \frac{GM}{a}##
 
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Thanks gneill :smile:
 
Here's the source of your error:

Tanya Sharma said:
Applying conservation of angular momentum at P and Q

mv_{i}a=mvr

The radial component of velocity does not contribute to angular momentum. This means that firing the gun doesn't change the bullet's orbital angular momentum.
 
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