Maximizing/Minimizing Volume of a Sphere with Cylinder Drilled Through Center

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The discussion revolves around maximizing and minimizing the volume of a sphere with a cylindrical hole drilled through its center. The original poster describes the setup using the equation of a circle and intends to rotate a quarter of it around the y-axis to find the volume. There is confusion regarding the correct integrand and the method of integration to be used.

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  • Participants discuss the use of different methods for calculating volume, including the disk method and cylindrical shell method. Questions arise about the correct form of the integrand and the limits of integration. There is also a focus on whether the integrand can be determined without evaluating the integral.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's integrand and method. Some participants express uncertainty about the reasoning behind using certain equations and methods. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the use of the disk method and the need to clarify the integrand.

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Participants note that the original poster has not yet learned how to evaluate certain integrals, which may affect their ability to progress in the discussion. There is also mention of a professor's teaching approach, which may influence the understanding of the concepts involved.

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We're trying to maximize (then minimize) the volume of a sphere wuth a cylinder drilled through the center.

So I have a circle with the equation x^2 + y^2 = R^2, and I'm going to rotate it around the y-axis. Actually, I'm only going to rotate the quarter of it that lies in the first quadrant, then multiply its volume by 2.

Now since the sphere has a cylindrical hole in it, my quarter-circle that I will rotate starts at sqrt(R^2-a^2), where a is half the height of the cylindrical hole.

(sorry for the mess; I don't know how to draw a graph on the computer)

SO.

My integrand is (2)(pi)(x)(L(x))=(2)(pi)(x)sqrt(R^2-x^2)
because the equation of a circle is y=sqrt(R^2-x^2)

My upper and lower limits are R and sqrt(R^2-a^2) respectively.

I didn't yet learn how to evaluate an integral of this form.
Is there any way to find the max/min Volumes without evaluating the integal? Or is my integral wrong altogether?
 
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mbrmbrg said:
We're trying to maximize (then minimize) the volume of a sphere wuth a cylinder drilled through the center.

So I have a circle with the equation x^2 + y^2 = R^2, and I'm going to rotate it around the y-axis. Actually, I'm only going to rotate the quarter of it that lies in the first quadrant, then multiply its volume by 2.

Now since the sphere has a cylindrical hole in it, my quarter-circle that I will rotate starts at sqrt(R^2-a^2), where a is half the height of the cylindrical hole.

(sorry for the mess; I don't know how to draw a graph on the computer)

SO.

My integrand is (2)(pi)(x)(L(x))=(2)(pi)(x)sqrt(R^2-x^2)
because the equation of a circle is y=sqrt(R^2-x^2)
No, that's not your integrand. You don't want to find area, you want to find the volume when the circle is rotated about an axis.

My upper and lower limits are R and sqrt(R^2-a^2) respectively.

I didn't yet learn how to evaluate an integral of this form.
Is there any way to find the max/min Volumes without evaluating the integal? Or is my integral wrong altogether?
I would be very surprised if you hadn't learned to integrate such square roots long ago- its a simple trig substitution. However, as I pointed out, your integral is altogether wrong. [itex]y= \sqrt{R^2- x^2}[/itex] is a radius of the disk formed when the circle is rotated around the x-axis. The area of such a disk is [itex]\pi y^2[/itex] and the volume is
[tex]\pi\int y^2dx[/tex]
 
Thank you.

My Calc II professor loves his subject. Hence our starting with a brief review of the fundamental theorem (the last thing we did in calc I) and moving straight to a day on Areas, then spending time on volumes.
He says we'll get to methods of integration soon.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, that's not your integrand. You don't want to find area, you want to find the volume when the circle is rotated about an axis.

My professor strongly suggested using the cylindrical shell method, which is how I got my original integrand.

[itex]y= \sqrt{R^2- x^2}[/itex] is a radius of the disk formed when the circle is rotated around the x-axis. The area of such a disk is [itex]\pi y^2[/itex] and the volume is
[tex]\pi\int y^2dx[/tex]

In my diagram, I set R to be the radius, so wouldn't [tex]y\pm \sqrt{R^2-x^2}[/tex] be the equation of my circle (rather than a radius thereof)?

Basically, I tried doing it with the disk method and ended up with [tex]\pi\int \sqrt{R^2-x^2}^2dx[/tex] which simplifies to [tex]\pi\int \sqrt{R^2-x^2}dx[/tex], which I still can't evaluate because my class skips around. But is this the integrand I should be looking for?
 
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mbrmbrg said:
Basically, I tried doing it with the disk method and ended up with [tex]\pi\int \sqrt{R^2-x^2}^2dx[/tex] which simplifies to [tex]\pi\int \sqrt{R^2-x^2}dx[/tex]
No, it doesn't! Squaring a squareroot doesn't leave a squareroot! That simplifies to
[tex]\pi \int (R^2- x^2) dx[/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, it doesn't! Squaring a squareroot doesn't leave a squareroot! That simplifies to
[tex]\pi \int (R^2- x^2) dx[/tex]

Would you believe me if I told you that was a typo? Because it was:blushing:

I'm sorry to be so dense, but I looked it over yet again and still can't follow your reasoning. Doesn't [tex]A(x)=\pi R^2[/tex] rather than [tex]A(x)=\pi y^2[/tex]?
Why are we putting y (in the form [tex]\sqrt{R^2-x^2}[/tex]) into [tex]\int (A(x)) dx[/tex] instead of putting in R (in the form [tex]\sqrt{y^2+x^2}[/tex])?
Other than the fact that an integral with x's and y's looks really ugly, that is...
 
mbrmbrg said:
Doesn't [tex]A(x)=\pi R^2[/tex] rather than [tex]A(x)=\pi y^2[/tex]?
Why are we putting y (in the form [tex]\sqrt{R^2-x^2}[/tex]) into [tex]\int (A(x)) dx[/tex] instead of putting in R (in the form [tex]\sqrt{y^2+x^2}[/tex])?
Other than the fact that an integral with x's and y's looks really ugly, that is...

yowzers, naps should be mandatoory!
You're rotating around the xaxis, aren't you? that would make y the radius of that disk... Good Lord. Sheesh.
Thanks, and good morning!
 

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