Maximizing Solutions for ODE with Initial Condition: Where to Begin?

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The problem involves finding the maximum solution of the differential equation dy/dt = t * y^(1/3) with the initial condition y(1) = -1. The discussion centers around the implications of the existence and uniqueness theorems in the context of ordinary differential equations (ODEs).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of Picard's theorem and Peano's theorem regarding the existence of solutions. There are attempts to separate variables and integrate, with questions about the validity of the initial condition and the nature of the solutions found.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the solutions, including the graphical representation of the solutions. There is acknowledgment of confusion regarding the initial condition and the constants involved in the solution process. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the solutions and the initial condition.

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There are noted discrepancies in the formulation of the differential equation, and participants are questioning the implications of these discrepancies on the solutions. The initial condition appears to complicate the solution process, leading to discussions about potential complexities in the constants derived from integration.

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Homework Statement



The problem is to find the maximum solution on all of R of the differential equation dy/dt = t * y^(1/3) subject to the initial-value conditoin y(1) = -1.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This equation is not subject to the conclusion of Picard's standard existence and uniqueness theorem since t * y^(1/3) is not Lipschitz in the y variable. But the existence of a solution is guaranteed by Peano's theorem. Further, it's proved in the theory of ODEs that there will be a maximum solution--a solution that is greater than or equal to all others at all points.

By separation of variables it's easy to find a particular solution and then use the initial condition to find the value of the constant that emerges in the process. But as for finding the maximum solution I don't know where to begin.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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zpconn said:

Homework Statement



The problem is to find the maximum solution on all of R of the differential equation dt/dt = t * t^(1/3) subject to the initial-value conditoin y(1) = -1.
Don't you mean dy/dt = y*t^(1/3)?
zpconn said:

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution



This equation is not subject to the conclusion of Picard's standard existence and uniqueness theorem since t * y^(1/3) is not Lipschitz in the y variable. But the existence of a solution is guaranteed by Peano's theorem. Further, it's proved in the theory of ODEs that there will be a maximum solution--a solution that is greater than or equal to all others at all points.

By separation of variables it's easy to find a particular solution and then use the initial condition to find the value of the constant that emerges in the process. But as for finding the maximum solution I don't know where to begin.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
Oh my, this was a bad typo. I meant dy/dt = t * y^(1/3) !
 
I found the solution, using separation. The graph looks something like two parabolas, one opening up, and one opening down. The one opening down goes through (1, -1). Being that this is the only solution that satisfies the initial condition and the differential equation, seems like it would also be the maximal solution. The other solution (the upward-opening parabola-like curve) is such that all of its y values are greater than those on the solution represented by the downward-opening parabola-like curve, but it doesn't pass through (1, -1).
 
Actually, I've realized I am somehow not solving it right, and your post verifies this since I got a different scenario.

Am I missing something here?

After separating variables and integrating one finds (3/2) * y^(2/3) = t^2/2 + const. But imposing the initial condition forces the constant to be complex as far as I can tell.
 
Yeah, that confused me as well. You might have noted your equation will satisfy the initial condition if the constant is equal to 2/3. If you solve for y2, you get

y^2 = \left(\frac{t^2}{3}+\frac{2}{3}\right)^3

The solution you want is the negative root of that equation.
 
You are correct indeed.

Thanks very much to both of you!
 

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