Maximum acceleration with simple car

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum possible acceleration of a rear-wheel-drive car given certain variables, including the coefficient of friction. The problem involves analyzing forces and moments acting on the vehicle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between friction, normal forces, and acceleration. Questions arise regarding the limits of acceleration and the conditions under which maximum acceleration occurs, particularly concerning the transition to slipping.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the fundamental principles of friction and acceleration, while others are clarifying the assumptions involved in the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the equations and their implications without reaching a consensus on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of engine power and road grip, as well as the implications of neglecting rotational inertia. The original poster has provided a specific formula but is seeking guidance on its derivation and application.

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Homework Statement


Given the variables in the drawing, and coefficient of friction u, what is the maximum possible acceleration if the car is rear wheel drive? Neglect rotational inertia of the wheels.


Homework Equations


Up and right is (+) for forces along with counter-clockwise being (+) for moments
\SigmaF = m * a
\SigmaMc = 0


The Attempt at a Solution


I have established the following variables in my attempt to find the solution;
W - vehicle weight
Nf - normal force on front wheel
Nr - normal force on rear wheel
Ff - frictional force

I gave the car a weight, W, applied downward at the center of mass. From this, a normal force is applied upward at the front and rear wheel, Nf and Nr, respectively.

There is also a frictional force opposing the cars forward motion, Ff pointing to the left.

Summing the forces in the y direction yields W = Nf + Nr

And the moment equation is
\SigmaMc = 0 = -(Nr * A) + (Nf * (B - A)) + (Ff * Y)

I am pretty sure that the force the tire applies to the ground will have to be at the verge of breaking friction for maximum acceleration, or u * Nr

Unfortunately I could not relate the previous equations and would appreciate a pointer. By the way, the solution is

[(B - A) g * u ] / [(B - uY)

where g is gravity.

Thanks guys
 
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Welcome to PF, enerj.
I think the starting point on this question is to ask why wouldn't the "maximum" acceleration be infinite? Is there some limit to the engine power or perhaps to its grip on the road? No use writing any equations until you've got this "grip" on the question.
 
Because as soon as the wheel slips, or breaks friction, the car as a whole will have reached maximum acceleration.

Can I represent this by using F = ma so a = F / m where m is the mass of the car and F is the friction force, so a = u * Nr / m?
 
Yes, you've got it! Note that when you fill in the detailed formula for N, the m's will cancel out and you have only a very simple calculation for the acceleration.
 

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